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Fact-checking claims about Donald Trump's four bankruptcies
Politifact ^ | September 21st, 2015 | Lauren Carroll, Clayton Youngman

Posted on 02/12/2016 9:07:05 AM PST by AndyJackson

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We here a lot about Trump "stiffing" his bankers. Here is the story. The bankrupties were Chapter 11 - protection from creditors while reorganizing not Chapter 7 liquidation.

We don't know the details of the terms except that generally Trump lost a significant part of his personal stake in each.

1 posted on 02/12/2016 9:07:05 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Albion Wilde

We keep hearing slams against Trump for stiffing his bankers. Here are the details.


2 posted on 02/12/2016 9:08:11 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

No risk, no reward. The guy has hit a lot more home runs than strike outs.


3 posted on 02/12/2016 9:09:20 AM PST by C19fan
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To: AndyJackson

The habitual liars at Polticfax are now “credible” because they say something “conservative” campaign bots what to hear?


4 posted on 02/12/2016 9:11:15 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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I am not sure what you are attacking, the article, me, or Trumpbots generally. Carly told us Trump filed 4 bankruptcies. This details the four.

It is simply "facts." If the facts as related are incorrect, then please cite a source and correct them.

5 posted on 02/12/2016 9:13:52 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: MNJohnnie

campaign bots what to hear?

What they hope to hear:
prez hil edmund clinton/snarky(me)


6 posted on 02/12/2016 9:14:47 AM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: AndyJackson; wmfights
This is the money quote in this article:

Trump's four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to "save" the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

In other words, no one was stiffed out of money. Everyone was paid. Trump paid. Despite these business losses, the built an empire worth billions.

Reorganization Chapter 11 is NOT 'Walk Away from Problems Chapter 7'.

7 posted on 02/12/2016 9:15:40 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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We keep hearing slams against Trump for stiffing his bankers. Here are the details.

Having worked in real estate before, during and after the crash, I have very little sympathy for the banks.

On several occasions, rather than act on the short sale of a property, they actively pushed the homeowner into bankruptcy.

In once instance, I had $150,000 in cash sitting at a title company to purchase the home but Chase & Wells Fargo decided to allow the home to go to auction instead because the price point of the home wasn't worth their time.

The house sold at auction for something like $80,000.

In another case, USAA would not work with the home owner to let him out of the mortgage and said they would simply add any deficiency from the mortgage to his credit cards.

At the time, USAA stood to lose a few thousand dollars at the most. Instead, the homeowner filed bankruptcy causing USAA to lose much more.

IMO, some of the banks should have been allowed to fail.

8 posted on 02/12/2016 9:16:12 AM PST by The Iceman Cometh (The Democrats Must Lose In November)
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To: C19fan

He had his own money on the line, and lost money, and other assets in these bankruptcies. Presumably the banks got their money at the end of the day.


9 posted on 02/12/2016 9:16:20 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I don’t see it as a negative that Trump has experience with Chapter 11 reorganization. This whole country is headed into Chapter 11, so the more experience the better. LOL


10 posted on 02/12/2016 9:16:40 AM PST by 20yearsofinternet
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To: AndyJackson

By your sources you are know. You want to get in bed with habitual liars, don’t be surprised your reputation picks up fleas.


11 posted on 02/12/2016 9:16:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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The question in my mind is how did Trump’s experience during that period of time and in that industry compare with others.


12 posted on 02/12/2016 9:17:11 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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I am going for Cruz but Trump is right on this one.


13 posted on 02/12/2016 9:17:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido (I'll support Trump as a second choice, and I'll get on my knees and pray we don't get fooled again.)
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He didn’t go to uncle sugar for bailouts like obozo’s crony capitalists like government motors and AIG did, either.


14 posted on 02/12/2016 9:18:10 AM PST by Newtoidaho (Sprinkles are for winners.)
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any media person who criticizes a legitimate business owner who puts their money on the line and makes like they could do better should quit their job and prove it.

Politicians who obtain and spend other peoples money would not last 2 minutes if they had to prove they make sound decisions, and never exceed budgets, and always deliver stellar returns on money received.

sound bite’s wont work with The Donald as he will Bite Back...


15 posted on 02/12/2016 9:19:42 AM PST by patriotspride
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So Bankruptcy is a sign of a business man with good business judgement?

wow the spin is getting better and better


16 posted on 02/12/2016 9:19:44 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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I’m a Cruz supporter and Trump’s bankruptcies have never bothered me one little bit. Capitalism requires a risk of failure along with a chance of success.

Name me a poker player that has never lost a hand. Sometimes you make bad decisions in business, and sometimes you just can’t win a hand you are dealt.

No big deal.


17 posted on 02/12/2016 9:20:08 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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Reorganization Chapter 11 is NOT 'Walk Away from Problems Chapter 7'.

Precisely the point. While we don't have the final details on all of the restructuring, generally Trump would have gotten longer to pay off the loan and lower interest rates (which the bank would have been happy to have given the lousy business environment they faced).

18 posted on 02/12/2016 9:20:32 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: The Iceman Cometh

They can write off a bankruptcy.


19 posted on 02/12/2016 9:21:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan

I like Cruz, but Carly should go write another love letter and speech to muslims, and give it a few weeks after the next big attack like she did after 9/11.

while i was giving blood and firemen friends were dying.

it’s true. Look it up. She’s filth.


20 posted on 02/12/2016 9:21:24 AM PST by dp0622
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