Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy arrested by FBI in Portland
OregonLive ^ | 2/11/2016 | Les Zaitz

Posted on 02/11/2016 12:17:51 AM PST by Nextrush

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120121-130 next last

“An Act for the admission of Oregon into the Union”

11 Stat. 383


101 posted on 02/11/2016 9:29:55 AM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

So, what am I supposed to be seeing? The Constitution states that only the legislature from a state can LET the Federal government use state land. What is your point?


102 posted on 02/11/2016 10:36:23 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

Read the law by which Oregon was admitted to the Union. In particular Section 4


103 posted on 02/11/2016 10:38:24 AM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: NFHale

Yep. Aptly put...


104 posted on 02/11/2016 10:42:35 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

It sets aside land for public schools, state universities, state public buildings, salt springs.... Instead of the guessing games, why don’t YOU tell me what you think it says?


105 posted on 02/11/2016 10:44:41 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

What are you driving at? The Federal government giving land in Oregon to American Indians?


106 posted on 02/11/2016 11:00:45 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

The federal government owns the land


107 posted on 02/11/2016 11:33:53 AM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

Show me where it says that. Explicitly, that the Fed owns Oregon. Quote it.


108 posted on 02/11/2016 11:38:13 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: Nextrush

If there was a warrant for his arrest why was it not already served in Nevada. This smells like Gestapo


109 posted on 02/11/2016 11:38:27 AM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

It was federal territory prior to becoming a state.


110 posted on 02/11/2016 11:41:46 AM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 108 | View Replies]

To: Ray76
All territories were Federal before becoming states.

Where's your quote?

111 posted on 02/11/2016 11:43:22 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

Federal territory which becomes a state is subject to the law by which that state joins the union.

Pursuant to “An Act for the admission of Oregon into the Union” 11 Stat. 383 Oregon was given concurrent jurisdiction over navigable waterways, they were given one representative until the next census and apportionment, they were granted certain sections of every township provided that Oregon use those sections for schools, that a certain portion of public land be used for public buildings, and so forth.

Notable are provisions of Section 4

Section 4. Certain propositions offered to people of Oregon for acceptance or rejection. That the following propositions be, and the same are hereby, offered to the said people of Oregon for their free acceptance or rejection, which, if accepted, shall be obligatory on the United States and upon the said State of Oregon, to wit: [] Fifth, That five per centum of the net proceeds of sales of all public lands lying within said State which shall be sold by Congress after the admission of said State into the Union, after deducting all the expenses incident to the same, shall be paid to said State, for the purpose of making public roads and internal improvements, as the legislature shall direct: Provided, That the foregoing propositions, hereinbefore offered, are on the condition that the people of Oregon shall provide by an ordinance, irrevocable without the consent of the United States, that said State shall never interfere with the primary disposal of the soil within the same by the United States, or with any regulations Congress may find necessary for securing the title in said soil to bona fide purchasers thereof; and that in no case shall non-resident proprietors be taxed higher than residents.

The federal government owned Oregon Territory, retained ownership when Oregon was accepted into the Union, and the Federal government has since disposed of the land therein. Presently the federal government owns a little more than 50% of the land in Oregon.


112 posted on 02/11/2016 11:59:18 AM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

What that says is that the land was to be sold. IS your contention that because the Feds decided to KEEP the land, despite both the Constitution and the State being accepted into the Union, that it is still “rightfully” the Feds?

“You are required to sell this.”

“Nah... Gonna keep it...”

“That’s breach of contract dumbass...”

“So? Whatcha gonna do about it? We gots the FBI to kill you if you don’t comply...”

*crickets*


113 posted on 02/11/2016 12:13:08 PM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: Ray76
Mr Madison dwelt with great force upon the fact that ''a delegated is not a surrendered power.'' The states surrendered no powers to the federal government -- they only delegated them.

Actually the land belonged to several American Indian tribes, given to them by the Federal government as per the Klamath Indian treaty of 1864. So, no, the Fed doesn't own them. Both the Indians and the Federal government have sold and settled some of the land and given it private property rights. You need to look up Klamath Falls. A lot has happened since 1859.

114 posted on 02/11/2016 12:13:13 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: Dead Corpse; Ray76

Exactly! The Federal government was selling land to settlers and there were Indian reservations. Some people just can’t keep up. ;-)


115 posted on 02/11/2016 12:15:08 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: Dead Corpse

I have not said what should be, but what is.


116 posted on 02/11/2016 1:05:24 PM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: Ray76; Dead Corpse
I have not said what should be, but what is.

Uh, no. You're ignoring what it actually says.

net proceeds of sales of all public lands lying within said State which shall be sold by Congress after the admission of said State into the Union

or with any regulations Congress may find necessary for securing the title in said soil to bona fide purchasers thereof

117 posted on 02/11/2016 1:19:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

What it is, is yet another Federal over reach. An expansion of power far beyond their legal limits.

And people like you running cover for them, whether you are doing it deliberately or not...


118 posted on 02/11/2016 1:32:01 PM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW
> or with any regulations Congress may find necessary for securing the title in said soil to bona fide purchasers thereof

That is a fragment without context. Here it is in context:

that said State shall never interfere with the primary disposal of the soil within the same by the United States, or with any regulations Congress may find necessary for securing the title in said soil to bona fide purchasers thereof;
Oregon can not interfere with the federal government's sale of land, nor can Oregon interfere with any regulation Congress imposes to convey title to the purchaser.

So far the federal government has sold less than half of the land in Oregon.

119 posted on 02/11/2016 2:03:42 PM PST by Ray76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: Ray76; Dead Corpse
I can clearly see that you don't understand the Fed was to SELL the land that wasn't given to Indians for reservations. The Constitution is very clear as was Madison.

You keep licking those boots. Your Master may give you a crumb.

120 posted on 02/11/2016 2:09:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120121-130 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson