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To: Arthur McGowan
According to Birther theory, George Romney was born in Mexico of a mother and farther who fled Utah and the USA over Congress's insistence that Utah pass anti-polygamy laws as a condition of admission to the Union. They joined other fleeing Mormons to found a permanent Mormon colony in Mexico.

The long-time Catholic President of Mexico, Santa Anna, had been toppled by then. The Catholic "Emperor of Mexico" and his wife, Maximilian Hapsburg and Carlotta, had been toppled by the godless Benito Juarez who could be trusted not to "impose" Christian morality.

Many revolutions but no Christian governments in Mexico since Maximilian was waxed by a firing squad, shellacked by Juarez and sent home to Franz Josef.

It does not appear that, at the time of George's birth, his parents had any intention of returning to the USA. It does not appear that George was born here, or had actual American citizens as parents, at least according to Birther theory. I am unaware of George or his parents filing paperwork for his naturalization as an American citizen.

Thus, according to Birther theory, George was not eligible. However, if he was not a citizen but was the father of Mitt Romney (a veritable Antichrist), then, again according to Birther theory, Moral Monster Mitt Romney (hereinafter M3R) was also ineligible even though HE was born here because dad was not a citizen.

Not only that but M3Romney's kids are also ineligible since M3Romney was never naturalized. None of their children born after today's date into an unknown future will be NBCs unless and until M3R's children are naturalized before the actual birth of such offspring and, of course, even then they will need to be born here no matter what.

At some point the Birther theory gives rise to endless silly controversies that seem like Young Republican Credentials fights of my increasingly distant youth. Such fights were not about substance or integrity but about advantage. In Connecticut Young Republicans, at a very close fought state convention at which delegates were allotted by Congressional District, we disqualified one young lady as a delegate upon documenting that she had recently applied for a dog license in a town in an adjacent CD.

If you apply what passes for Birther "logic" to even Jeb Bush, you could probably challenge his status as NBC though his mother is descended from President Franklin Pierce and his father and brother both served as POTUS. Don'tcha just know that somebody back there somewhere in the Bush or Walker or Bush's mom's family line since 1787 was born elsewhere and did not sweat the naturalization process.

Trump's mama was born in Scotland. Was SHE ever naturalized? Was it before The Donald was born. Trump's paternal grandpa (original name Drumpf) came here from Germany. Was he naturalized? When? If Trump's father was born in Germany, ditto? Lincoln was closely descended from a British grandfather IIRC. Any naturalizations in his line? Or were his ancestors like mine of 100 years ago and more, people who never bothered with "naturalization" papers because they were too busy living their lives.

With all the real issues that persist in our society and the cornucopia of headaches that are Obozo's proudest products, with a $19 trillion debt, an emasculated military, an anti-American foreign policy, an open invitation to millions of Islamofascist lunatics to come here and blow up Americans, gun-grabbing, 60+ million surgical abortions and counting, a devil's variety of perversions passing as "marriage" according to SCOTUS and sooooooo many more, all we have to worry about is the meaning of some obscure and undefined language in the Constitution about NBCs????? REALLY?

113 posted on 02/07/2016 3:08:41 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk
If you apply what passes for Birther "logic" to even Jeb Bush, you could probably challenge his status as NBC though his mother is descended from President Franklin Pierce and his father and brother both served as POTUS.
Don't forget that (at least) 4 of Trump's children were born to non-citizens. That would mean (according to the Birthers), that all but one of Trump's (publicly acknowledged) children are not Natural Born Citizens.

Since the purpose of the NBC clause is to limit the Presidency to those who have an undivided loyalty to the United States, do we really want a President to has a thing for picking foreign wives and siring (according to Birthers) non-eligible children?

115 posted on 02/07/2016 4:11:54 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: BlackElk

And there is the additional caveat to the birther theory, that any person born through modern pain killers or ceasarian section rather than via ‘natural child birth,’ is obviously not ‘natural born.’ ;-)


119 posted on 02/07/2016 5:24:22 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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