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Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination
New York Magazine ^ | February 5, 2016 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 02/05/2016 1:45:29 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: PROCON

Good, just make it count.


21 posted on 02/05/2016 2:05:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (the Free Republic Caucus: what FReepers are thinking, 100s or 1000s of them. It's up to you.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

He doesn’t have to revert. If you listen closely, he’s never moved that far.


22 posted on 02/05/2016 2:17:04 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination’

So the can have two Liberals to choose from in November!


23 posted on 02/05/2016 2:19:56 PM PST by Angels27
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To: GodGunsGuts
Trump does not mouth the rote conservative formulation that government is failing because it can’t work and that the solution is to cut it down to size. Instead, he says it is failing because it is run by idiots and that the solution is for it to instead be run by Trump. About half of Republicans favor higher taxes on the rich, a position that has zero representation among their party’s leaders. And those Republicans are the most likely to support Trump.

Tax cuts and deregulation of many aspects of the economy are important. However, they are less important than keeping out the flood of Third World immigrants. If our immigration policies continue as they are, the US will be another Latin American country with a decrepit Latin American culture and economy. In other words, there won't be much of an economy to deregulate and not enough of a tax base to worry about cutting.

24 posted on 02/05/2016 2:20:43 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Angels27

LOL...you took the words right out of their mouths!


25 posted on 02/05/2016 2:24:18 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Only liberals (called moderates in the GOP) support Trump.


26 posted on 02/05/2016 2:25:29 PM PST by GeronL (I remember when this was a conservative forum)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Well, you Cruz supporters are having a grand old time posting leftists drivel about Trump when it suits you anti-Trump agenda. So, own it

The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasnt particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.)

And what else has old Ted told his billionaire donors they shouldn't be worried about from his campaign rhetoric? Instead of looking for leftist smear articles against Trump, your time would be better spent researching just who Ted's billionaire puppet masters are, and just what they expect from him.

Ted looks more and more like the third term of GWB, a globalist who never saw a trade deal, or an illegal immigrant, or an open border he didn't like.

27 posted on 02/05/2016 2:25:48 PM PST by Will88
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To: PROCON
Ted Cruz supporters everyday:


28 posted on 02/05/2016 2:33:32 PM PST by stratboy
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To: GodGunsGuts

Chait’s argument seems to be, “Trump is an evil creep, but at heart he’s a liberal, so no problem.”


29 posted on 02/05/2016 2:35:20 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Will88
I have been saying for a while these people are rabid. You can't have an intelligent discussion with them. It immediately goes to names like "baboons" or "retards" or "drones". I get tired of dealing with them. Must be nice to feel superior than someone because they don't agree with you. I would vote for Cruz if he became the nominee, which is more that I could say about them.

Try to get them to tell you what Ted has accomplished in his 3 years in the Senate. He's a lawyer with a thin paper trail of accomplishments. They turn that question into a Trump attack.

30 posted on 02/05/2016 2:39:12 PM PST by stratboy
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To: Will88

Good post.


31 posted on 02/05/2016 2:43:17 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: pookie18
Jimmy Carter: "I'd Choose Trump Over Cruz as 'He's Completely MALLEABLE."


32 posted on 02/05/2016 2:45:35 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: stratboy

How about doing what he said he would do when he got to Washington. How about his 97%-100% conservative/pro-liberty voting record in the senate.

What does Trump have? Until about six months ago...A lifetime of mouthing and supporting left-wing causes, while at the same time becoming an uber-crony capitalist (by his own admission) who lined the pockets of corrupt politicians as a matter of routine.

Ted Cruz’s record wins hands down!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-donald-trump-helped-democrats-pass-obamacare/2015/06/22/002f4c7c-18ea-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html


33 posted on 02/05/2016 2:47:16 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Steve_Seattle

Pretty much.


34 posted on 02/05/2016 2:48:14 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stratboy
Trump's drones...


35 posted on 02/05/2016 2:52:26 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: stratboy
Try to get them to tell you what Ted has accomplished in his 3 years in the Senate. He's a lawyer with a thin paper trail of accomplishments. They turn that question into a Trump attack.

Ted's accomplished several things in the Senate, mostly for his own benefit. He staged those several publicity stunts that drew great media attention and kept his name in the news for many cycles. Always a good sort of publicity for someone planning to run for president.

Even though someone might have agreed with his claimed goal, everyone knew he had zero chance of success, so the only real benefit was publicity for Ted. And it made it much more difficult for him to form any sizable coalitions in the Senate.

36 posted on 02/05/2016 3:23:52 PM PST by Will88
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To: Steve_Seattle
Jonathan Chait is a silly, highly overpaid man, who is basically paid for the farts that come out of his mouth

I can't get over that one.

Arnold [that's "Ahhnuld"] is the only template we have for a Trump presidency, and a President Trump will likely govern much as Arnold did.

Well, not quite. Ahnuld was sleeping with one of the Kennedy girls, and she appears to have dominated him intellectually and politically, making him over from Republican-Lite to full-bull Liberal Democrat, even a Prog, to judge by the spittle running down Chait's chin.

The bigger problem with Trump is his zest for winging it and lack of consistent principles to guide him. As long as suggestions of his "swinging door" style keep cropping up in bleats and tweets, it will continue to be a real worry for conservatives, that Trump is just paying lip service to conservative ideas to bullswoggle his way into the White House in a nominally Republican year.

37 posted on 02/05/2016 3:47:33 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“....Trumps spent nearly $50,000 to elect congressional Democrats, they donated only $1,000 to the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRSC)....”

more http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/donald-trump-donated-heavily-to-democrats-especially-during-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/

Of course Trump supporters say he’s changed since then, but he’s changed on TOO MANY issues JUST BEFORE DECIDING TO RUN, just like Romney.

I didn’t believe Romney, and I don’t believe Trump.


38 posted on 02/05/2016 4:23:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
If our immigration policies continue as they are, the US will be another Latin American country with a decrepit Latin American culture and economy. In other words, there won't be much of an economy to deregulate and not enough of a tax base to worry about cutting.

The economy of the Spanish Empire was crippled very early by the introduction of the encomienda system, which rewarded the conquistadors by making them feudal lords.

In the 18th century, Jorge Juan and Antonio de Ulloa surveyed the economic condition of parts of the Spanish Empire on a royal commission and described the retrogradation of the imperial economy, which already exhibited the extreme concentration of wealth, power, and opportunity that, 200 years later, was still firmly entrenched under the name, in Nicaragua, of Somocismo, after the Somoza family, which basically owned everything worth owning in Nicaragua.

(Side note: A congressional inquiry after the death of J. Pierpont Morgan -- nobody durst "inquire" about his affairs while he was alive -- found that the Morgan heirs owned or beneficially controlled 20% of everything worth owning or controlling in the United States of America. Congress promptly broke up the House of Morgan, giving us today Morgan, Stanley and J.P.Morgan Chase Bank. Insights like these have given rise to conspiracy theories like the "six families" or "sixty families" or however-many families, depending on whom one asks.)

39 posted on 02/05/2016 5:24:53 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: GodGunsGuts
How about doing what he said he would do when he got to Washington. How about his 97%-100% conservative/pro-liberty voting record in the senate. What does Trump have?

I know that we're supposed to ignore Trump's record, but I'm not sure why. At the same time, we're supposed to judge Rubio on his record.

The fact is, past performance is the best indicator of future behavior.

40 posted on 02/08/2016 7:20:49 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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