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Why is the natural born citizen requirement important?
Renew America ^ | February 05, 2016 | Tim Dunkin

Posted on 02/05/2016 8:15:25 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy

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To: Disestablishmentarian

What other parts of the Constitution do you think are frickin’ nutz?

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That part that blacks are 3/5’s of a person comes to mind.

Many other parts that have needed 27 Amendments may not be frickin’ nutz, but they did need changing, right?


61 posted on 02/05/2016 10:40:06 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Is Ted Cruz a US Citizen? Yeah? Then Shut Up and Vote for Him.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sadly, Cruz seems to have decided to go full Obama becoming a constitutional scholar who either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the Constitution or the original intent of its founders. That type of duplicitous behavior has made me question Cruz and his principles.

Living in Florida, I already knew Rubio was a two faced lying traitor. I had hoped much better from Ted Cruz, but those two seem to have so much in common.

A conservative needs to be willing to conserve the precepts of this nation or they are no different from the libs trying to destroy it. The Constitution is not a living document with its meaning to be twisted depending upon the desires and vagaries of time. The founders gave us a method to change what we don’t like in the Constitution. Those who seek to change the Natural Born requirement know full well they would not succeed if they were honest about why they want the change and had to abide by the Constitution to do it. It is just unfortunate that the republican party didn’t see fit to make certain the people who are seeking the presidential nomination from their party were actually qualified under the Constitution as originally intended. NWO globalization strikes again.


62 posted on 02/05/2016 11:09:41 AM PST by Waryone
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Thank you. You make some very good points. Back when our country was founded, the Founders certainly did not imagine nor anticipate the number of US service members and their families stationed at overseas military bases nor the global economy that sometimes necessitates US citizens to work abroad nor the number of US diplomatic embassies or stations all across the world.

See my post here, especially when I talk about my nephew's wife and her birth in Germany while her father was stationed there.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3393127/posts?page=138#138

63 posted on 02/05/2016 11:16:09 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Responsibility2nd

What’s the point of amending the Constitution if you can simply ignore it? That’s what Obama does. And anyway, if you can ignore it, then what good will it be to amend it? That can just be ignored too.


64 posted on 02/05/2016 11:29:01 AM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: Yashcheritsiy

The purpose of the provision is to guard against someone having divided loyalties. Does anyone really think that Ted Cruz has ever considered himself a subject of Queen Elizabeth?


65 posted on 02/05/2016 11:34:51 AM PST by zeugma (Lon Horiuchi is the true face of the feral government. Remember that. Always.)
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To: zeugma

From US State website, on dual nationality, as linked from the US consulate in Canada~

“The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. nationality. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose nationality.”

So it isn’t just a loyalty issue.


66 posted on 02/05/2016 12:13:26 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Rashputin

Lol, the inability to tell me when he was naturalized can only mean one thing. That is if logic matters to the Trump cultists, which it has been shown over and over logic, facts, issues don’t matter to them.

Thanks for playing and proving my point.


67 posted on 02/05/2016 2:58:50 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Ladysforest

It is automatic. It is not a naturalization process.

Who knew so many so called conservatives are low information or more commonly , I don’t care about information if it doesn’t help the Donald,

I do notice Trump at any time could go to court and seek to have Cruz thrown off ballot as ineligible. He can afford to waste the legal fees.

Why doesn’t he????

The question answers itself.

It’s a phony issue being pushed by a phony candidate and believed by only the willfully ignorant or total cultists.


68 posted on 02/05/2016 3:03:03 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
No inability, just no desire to deal with another twit who can't understand plain, clear, English language. If not born on US soil, then born to two US citizen parents, clear, simple, straight forward.

Reality, however, is not the strong suit of those who join the mad rush after one savior then another or they'd realize how dangerous a precedent other than the one I stated sets is. Such folks don't care, though, they want what they want right now and don't care about tomorrow which is exactly how we got into the mess we're in right now.

Have a nice day and keep strokin' yourself if that makes you happy.

69 posted on 02/05/2016 3:41:51 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

Hmm, it is so plain and clear............I wonder why the Donald doesn’t go into federal court and have Cruz declared ineligible under the Constitution.

The answer is obvious, only nit wits and Trump cult followers actually believe he isn’t a naturally born citizen.

Trump knows he would be wasting legal fees and made to look like a fool.

But the cultists just nod their head and say isn’t Trump brilliant.


70 posted on 02/05/2016 3:48:54 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Trump doesn't want to knock Cruz out of the race yet, that's why. Backing Cruz, Rubio, and Jeb, all at the same time is costing the people who are behind all three a lot more money that just backing one of them would cost.

Someone who tosses around "cultists" is out of anything reasonable to say, thanks for letting us know you have nothing reasonable to say.

71 posted on 02/05/2016 4:01:32 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

If all the natural born citizens running for president were socialists/communists and I could put a Syrian in power that was devoted to the principles that America was founded upon I would not hesitate to do so. Not a chance, but just saying.


72 posted on 02/05/2016 4:06:37 PM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: Rashputin

Lol, doesn’t want to know him out of race yet.

Do the cultists really buy this garbage?

Why doesn’t Rubio sue? Carson? Bush? Christie?

I guess they all love Ted and want to keep him around.

Riiiiigggghhht.


73 posted on 02/05/2016 4:08:01 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
The only reason the Republicans "hate" Cruz is because he didn't wait his turn like a good little club member. He's the sitting Senator from Texas. He'd have never gotten on the ballot in Texas if he wasn't against ethanol, so big brave stand there. He rolled over on TPA, on the Iran deal, is marching lock step with the Ryan agenda, and all his pals know the only way to get any media attention when the Republicans are the majority in both Houses of Congress is to bitch about Republicans.

You believe what you like, doesn't matter to me one way or another except when it cheer leads setting bad legal precedents. There you go with cultist again, what's the matter with you ? No one can disagree with you unless they're a cultist ?

I don't support Princeton/Harvard lawyers no matter what office they run for. They drank the Kool-Aid or they wouldn't have made it through that rat maze. You like those folks running the government and believe your lawyer is better or different than their lawyer, then knock yourself out. That hasn't worked for the past hundred years but it's bound to work sooner or later if you just keep smashing your head on the wall.

74 posted on 02/05/2016 4:18:20 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

You can read. You can read that law, I didn’t write it. It was written by our Congress. I posted it for your information. The word Naturalization is used. I did not put it there. This is not about Trump or indeed, Cruz. It is about the meaning of a word and our law.

There is no question to be answered. None. You can read it for yourself, or you can chose to stick your head in the sand. I don’t write the law. I don’t interpret them. I take it at face value.

If you are willing to do research you will became informed. Until then you will simply have an unsupported opinion. You will KNOW things that you have not learned.


75 posted on 02/05/2016 6:33:48 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

You have a brain.

Why isn’t Trump suing to get Cruz off the ballot if he doesn’t qualify?

You have a brain.

Anyone with a brain can figure out the answer.


76 posted on 02/05/2016 6:36:11 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Because Cruz is not going to win.

Coming out of Iowa everyone is saying Cruz cheated, except his Kool-Aid drinkers.

Iowa was Ted Cruz’ peak. He will lose in New Hampshire and South Carolina. He didn’t even get a bump in the polls afer Iowa.


77 posted on 02/05/2016 6:38:36 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

Everyone says he cheated.

Really?

How did he “cheat”?

This should be good.


78 posted on 02/05/2016 6:39:42 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I must respond that you also have a brain. Do ask yourself why YOU do not research this for yourself?

I have spent hundreds of hours, years before Cruz was even a glimmer on the horizon, studying and researching this particular topic.

But you, you KNOW. You know more than I. You know more than some of the most respected historians and Constitutional originalists. You interpret the laws passed by our Congress to not mean what the words clearly say. And you dismiss utterly the laws of the country that Cruz was born in.

Anyone with a brain can figure you out.


79 posted on 02/05/2016 6:55:58 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

Still no answer on why Trump doesn’t sue.

I will try another way.

If Cruz is not a naturally born citizen, at what point in his life was he naturalized?

Natural born citizens don’t require naturalization and those not born citizens require naturalization.

When was Cruz naturalized???


80 posted on 02/05/2016 7:23:02 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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