Posted on 02/04/2016 4:27:58 AM PST by Red Steel
It wasn’t about the question.
“Establish your own consistent foundation first, and thereby reflect a stable position to critique another on those same grounds.”
Do that.
Are you??
Were you disgusted when Trump compared Carson to a pathological pedophile and suggested that the only cure for people like Carson was the death penalty or castration?
Were you disgusted when Trump said Carson was "perhaps" a doctor and just an "OK" doctor?
Are you??
(Hint: This is a direct "yes" or "no" question)
Are you disgusted with the crap Team Cruz pulled on caucus night?? Or is that what a “principled” politician looks like to you?
If you won’t answer neither will I.
Thank you CPT. Saw your note.
Yes.
(Hey, that was easy!)
Clever...I see what you did there...comparing a guy who won a vote...to a guy that incessantly whined about losing a vote...tantrums...court cases...mainly media challenges...
Wait. Cruz won. And another guy, not the guy offended, but another guy, is incessantly complaining about it not being fair.
OK, I guess I don’t get what you did there...Probably clever, just over my head...yeah, that is it...
It seemed to me that a man and his followers were very cantankerous after the win.
Rove, not a Trump fan by any means, explained how the Cruz cheating could have cost Donald the election.
The Cruz Campaign tweeted: Press says Carson is going to take a break...... so tell all the Carson people to campaign with Cruz.
But Rove explains that at 7:53 the Carson people send out a release saying, We/re here. We/re staying in the race. We/re going to New Hampshire and South Carolina.
And at 8:20 Cruz campaign chief Steve King tweets deceptively: It looks like Carson is getting out of the race...... knowing full well this was inaccurate.
Cruz lies.....said we sent it to our team, insinuating this had to do with sending it out to staff members.
No, no, no...says Rove. They sent this to nearly 1,500 Cruz precinct captains.
Now why does that matter......the gap between Trump and Cruz is 6,239 votes. There are 1,500 precincts. Do the math... If that message cost Carson four votes per precinct to switch to Cruz, then Cruz beats Trump. If opportunistic Cruz hadn/t switched those four, he/d be the loser.
The evidence is all there.....Cruz was caught w/ his pants down.
Agree. Great summary of the smarmy tacky Ted tactics.
Spread that far and wide.
I’m in TX....and, I will ;-)
Tricky Ted pulls another fast one.
How Nixonesque!
Ditto...I agree with what you said....
In regard to the Cruz campaign emails and tweets?
Carson's campaign cited an email Cruz's campaign sent to their supporters that read, "The press is reporting that Dr. Ben Carson is taking time off from the campaign trail after Iowa and making a big announcement next week. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted Cruz."
However, that information originally came from CNN and I think MSNBC who also speculated that Carson's own announcement that he was leaving Iowa (even before the voting was over) and heading back to Florida for a "Change of Clothes" and some R&R might be an indication that he was dropping out and also CNN's Chris Moody's tweets.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/02/20/30D1CF3F00000578-3427846-This_tweet_from_a_CNN_reporter_sent_at_6_43_pm_Iowa_time_set_off-a-32_1454443729740.jpg
Saying that Carson was taking time off the campaign trail after Iowa was not at all untruthful as it was and is the truth. If Cruz's campaign had announced the same thing, I'm sure Trump would have been all over Twitter announcing that Cruz was dropping out (and probably calling him a big LOSER!). That's politics. It is a rough sport.
In all honesty Steve King's tweets saying that Carson was dropping out was a stretch and IMO, bad judgement on his part.
However, if one looks at Ben Carson's own website under Events, note that there are only 3 events listed, and all three very small events and all in CA, all small "grassroots organizational meetings." and nary even one event listed for NH or SC. That doesn't look like someone in the race. I predict that Carson will drop out in the next two weeks, and not because of "dirty tricks" but because Carson has run a poor campaign and is bleeding cash and campaign staffers. Take that for what it is worth.
Now the ball is in your court.
Were you disgusted when Trump compared Carson to a pathological pedophile and suggested that the only cure for people like Carson was the death penalty or castration?
Were you disgusted when Trump said Carson was "perhaps" a doctor and just an "OK" doctor?
So you are OK with what Trump said about Carson, the outright lies and deeply personal insults that Trump hurled against Carson? I get it.
FWIW, I predict Carson will drop out in the next week or two and having nothing to do with being "cheated" in Iowa. And that Team Cruz will be vindicated for suggesting Carson's supporters might want to think about shifting their support to Cruz.
Where are the Carson supporters going to go since Huckabee and Santorum dropped out? To Trump? The man who compared Carson to a pedophile and suggested he should be executed or castrated and quite ironically called Carson a "phony Christian" and just an OK doctor? .
In your lovely world view, people who steal / cheat aren't responsible for their actions.
I didn't say that. The thieves should be caught and jailed.
It's the dummy who forgets to lock the door and lets them get in.
This wasn't about 'forgetting'. My premise was that this person MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, and that the 'dummy' (as you call him) in your lovely world view, avoids taking responsibility for making that announcement.
You really need to work on your debating and logic skills.
Maybe I should give you a better analogy, or easier analogy to follow.
Let’s say your rich uncle gives you the keys to his Cadillac. You drive it down to Martin Luther King Boulevard and pull over to the curb. You leave the keys in it, and the door open, and walk back home. It gets stolen.
Who do you think your uncle is going to blame ?
I addressed what happened caucus night with respect to the Cruz campaign repeating what had been reported and speculated by several news outlets; that Carson was taking a break from the campaign. Was that untrue?
I also said: "In all honesty Steve King's tweets saying that Carson was dropping out was a stretch and IMO, bad judgement on his part."
Go to Carson's website. While Carson says he's not dropping out, why are there no campaign appearances in NH or SC listed? Does that not indicate that he's effectively suspended his campaign?
https://www.bencarson.com/events
Also Carson's campaign is in serious trouble and has been well before the Iowa caucus voting began.
Ben Carson slashes staff as funds dry up
As for the "shaming letters", I had posted on another thread that I don't like that tactic. However, there is nothing new about them. Both Democratic and Republican candidates and liberal and conservative groups have been using them for years. I do find them creepy and wish the Cruz campaign hadn't used them but there is nothing "illegal" about them and they are used to good effect to get the registered voters who are likely to vote for you, but who have not voted in several past election cycles, out to vote.
As for the pictures you keep posting, tweets from two people I've never heard of BTW (and I really like the guy who said he heard it from his mother); I've also heard that in many caucuses, there were no Carson speakers and that many caucus participants were unaware of the tweets and email until after the voting was over. I doubt it had much effect one way or another as Carson was poling anywhere from 9% to 10% and ended up with 9.3%.
I will not be bullied into shutting up. I addressed what you asked me to address and now that I have, I ask you once again; were you disgusted when Trump compared Carson to a pathological pedophile and suggested that the only cure for people like Carson was the death penalty or castration? Were you disgusted when Trump said Carson was "perhaps" a doctor and just an "OK" doctor? among other insults Trump hurled at Carson?
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