Posted on 02/03/2016 2:29:45 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
I would say Trump does know how to personally accept defeat as he has likely had to do countless times throughout his business career (though I agree it is probably very hard for him), but what he can’t deal with is allowing anyone else to perceive he has been defeated. The latter goes to his image, his brand as he would put it.
This is how a bankruptcy, for example, becomes a victory. He knows he’s lost, but he attempts to project that loss as a victory to everyone else.
This is why, in his mind, 2nd place in Iowa was so deadly. The narrative was spreading that Cruz had simply out campaigned him (which he did). If that became the story, there is no excuse for Trump and he can’t spin 2nd place as some moral victory that was unexpected.
That is great news about Ted Cruz being your first choice!
And I totally agree with you re: Trump...and then some.
Okay, thanks. I read it and thought it warranted some consideration. I personally think that Iowa caucuses are not a very good system. Secret ballots are more reliable as no one knows who you are voting for and so cannot be arm twisted to change.
Do you think Trump has built his bigger, better, stronger GOTV/ground game yet in NH? The press is reporting he’s got precinct captains that don’t even have voter contact lists yet, as of today - just like he did last week in Iowa.
Cruz did not cheat anyone.. You don’t announce your going home in the middle of a Caucus vote unless your quitting or a little slow. Now I like Ben Carson but he has done some rather strange things during his campaign.. You don’t quit campaigning to go on a book tour...
If Trump won, would we be having this conversation?
I’m glad someone else thinks so too. It is starting to feel like he is greasing the skids for a quick exit.
lol
sorry I don’t believe Carson lost a single vote because of this.
He outperformed his polls by 2 points and even if he did lose votes to this, who knows who they went too, maybe Trump got them! and would have placed 3rd if not for the crossover tricked/stupid Carson voters.
Except he didn’t quit. You guys keep ignoring that little fact. Easily disprovable if a non-sleazy candidate picks up the phone and calls his fellow candidate. I notice Trump and all the other candidates (aside from Rubio) didn’t run around proclaiming Carson left the election. And why would he leave? Common sense would say he’d stay in at least past the caucus. From his point of view, it makes no sense.
I agree.
The caucuses were held, and everyone played along.
I would hope they notice some problems and make adjustments for 2020.
The point is, you or I don’t know. You are assuming just as I am. Which is why you don’t cheat. So that everyone in the nation knows exactly where all the votes went. Thanks to Cruz, he’s created a nice mess for himself and others.
Trump wants all opposition of any kind to stop right now without going any further. Whining is so presidential.
What I might do is not the issue and it is not kind to call voter stupid fools when they are lied to by officials- which official you are not!
He did not cheat. Other campaigns watched the same CNN report, came to the same conclusion, and followed the exact same course of action.
You obviously did poorly in pre-law and pre-common sense. There is no precise definition of voter fraud.
The absence of a clear legal definition of election fraud contributes to this inconsistent evaluation.21 Federal legislation and government agencies offer “laundry list†definitions based on examples of acts of deception in theelectoral process;22 these are nonexhaustive†lists that exemplify the large scope of the definition.23 These descriptive definitions capture both fraudulent acts that are directed at and committed by voters, as well as those directed at and committed by other entities, such as campaigns and government officials.24
Voter Fraud or Voter Defrauded?
Youre defending a form of voter fraud. Since this is a peculiar circumstance that could only happen within a caucus system, there probably isn’t any specific law that addresses it. But it was still a form of voter fraud.
My statement above is correct. There are numerous forms of voter fraud and a situation where a voter is told in a caucus situation that their candidate has withdrawn would be comparable to a candidate being illegally removed from a voting machine ballot.
Or maybe you want to provide your precise, indisputable definition of voter fraud.
Americans are very trusting people, which is good and bad and unfortunately there are those who would exploit that. So yes, some would do it. In the hubbub, not everyone thinks rationally until after the fact. Sad, but true.
And unfortunately, whether there were nefarious intentions or not, this looks really bad and combined with other unfortunate situations, I don’t see how Ted’s image of trustworthiness is not damaged, and possibly irreparably damaged.
Trump wants a clean nomination process with no cheating. I see justified anger not whining.
Then people got inside and heard the Cruz disinformation/slash/dirty trick that Carson was dropping out, don't waste your vote, etc.
So about ~25% of people who were going to vote for Carson switched to Cruz. And that was the margin of difference and the reason why the polls were wrong about Trump winning.
Can you point me to a single report of even a single Carson voter switching to Cruz? If ~25% of people who were going to vote for Carson defected, then why did Carson's caucus totals outperform his pre-caucus poll numbers and match his entrance poll numbers?
Or is this math you do as a Trump supporter to make yourself feel better?
This was an attempt to move votes from one candidate to another. A candidate couldn't survive that if it succeeded in a close race. But this particular thing could only happen in a caucus situation unless someone tried to remove a candidate from a machine or paper ballot, and that would be easily and quickly detected.
I think this should be investigated to determine what happened and in how many caucus venues. No idea if it will be investigated. I heard a couple of people call in to talk shows to say it happened at their venue. But it needs investigation.
It's not Team Cruz's responsibility to fact check CNN.
Team Cruz's simply passed along a CNN report and they framed it as such.
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