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To: SeekAndFind

While I guess I appreciate the fact that a gay activist is against forcing Christian bakers to bake cakes with gay messages on them, no matter how self-righteous he is in his argument, the irony is that his argument is completely wrong.

Someone who asks for a cake that says “I hate gays” or “I’m against gay marriage”, or who asks a Jewish baker to bake a cake with a swastika on it, or who asks a Muslim baker to bake a cake with a picture of Muhammad on it, is not engaging in a protected status activity. Nazis and people who want a cake with a picture of Muhammad and people who are against gay marriage aren’t protected status under the law. Gays are. And a baker is engaged in commerce, which is not protected speech. So if, in the ordinary course of your business, you bake a cake for a normal wedding and you put slogans on it, then you have to agree to put all slogans on cakes. The alternative is to have a policy of not putting any slogans on cakes.

I’m not saying any of this to make an argument for these Star Chamber witch hunts of Christian bakers. I’d rather see the whole “protected status” BS be shut down all together. But the logic in his article doesn’t hold up.


7 posted on 02/02/2016 8:19:36 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

You are WRONG.

Commerce is a form of speech and it should be protected every bit as much as any other expression.

I make quilts that benefit a women’s shelter and that’s both commerce and my expression of my deeply held conviction that a women’s shelter is a worthy thing to support.

If I open a Christian bakery with the intent to make Christian-themed wedding cakes then anyone who tries to force me to bake anything else does so at the violation of my right to express myself via my chosen vocation.

Gun makers these days are clearly making an expression of speech via their commerce and if anyone is making an expression of speech via their commerce it’s certainly the broadcast media.

So if gays can force someone to bake them a cake because commerce isn’t protected speech then why can’t the gays also force a Christian programmer to broadcast pro-gay advertising or pro-gay content?


26 posted on 02/02/2016 8:59:19 AM PST by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

It all died, IMO, here in the US, during the 60’s.

Instead of using ridicule and market pressure, (some) people turned to the govt; whom knows nothing BUT force to get its way.

Course, today, we have segregation in all but name, but the tyranny lives on (with each ‘extension’ of the unlawful acts of Congress): inner-city vs. ‘burgs, BET, XYZ Caucus. Hell, it’s even across gender-lines (ala Curves).

But govt only enforces that which furthers its increase of power and intimidation, never impartial and never w/out an iron fist. A deal w/ the devil was made.


30 posted on 02/02/2016 9:14:22 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"protected class"

Libs will adamantly insist that gays aren't asking for special rights, and in the next breath tell you that gays are a "protected class."
33 posted on 02/02/2016 10:25:21 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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