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Donald Trump will soon betray the GOP
The Week ^ | 1/28 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 01/28/2016 8:22:06 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue

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To: AuntB

1985: Donald Trump Donates $1 Million to NYC Vietnam Vets—

Helping Vets is a long time tradition for Donald Trump.

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That’s awesome information.

He’s pro-military AND pro-choice.


181 posted on 01/28/2016 10:25:09 AM PST by dmz
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To: Marie

Sorry for twisting your words. Allow me to rephrase: Reagan did not run HARD left.


182 posted on 01/28/2016 10:27:16 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That is the single most concise and cogent thought of the 2016 election cycle.


183 posted on 01/28/2016 10:31:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Free Republic Caucus: vote daily / watch for the thread / Starts 01/20 midnight to midnight EST)
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To: SubMareener

You make a fundamental error if you assume all Republicans are conservatives. Most are not. And certainly the leadership is not. Cruz has been one of the top conservatives pointing out the flaws in our party leadership like Boner, Ditch and Lyin’ Ryan.


184 posted on 01/28/2016 10:31:43 AM PST by JediJones ("Beautiful, famous, successful, married - I've had them all, secretly." -Trump on women in 2007 book)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Id rather give Trump one chance to betray me than give the GOP their 17th.


I do not look for Trump to betray us, but you do get points for a good post.


185 posted on 01/28/2016 10:32:22 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue; All
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186 posted on 01/28/2016 10:32:43 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more)
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To: kabar

Which is why you should vote for Cruz. I want to win. He is doing better than Trump in every general election poll. He has the latino factor which cannot hurt with the growing latino voter segment.


187 posted on 01/28/2016 10:32:51 AM PST by JediJones ("Beautiful, famous, successful, married - I've had them all, secretly." -Trump on women in 2007 book)
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To: Bidimus1
Yes! Donald Trump has a magic wand and fairy dust. In fact, Donald Trump has GOLD fairy dust. Winners aren't Losers or for that matter Cruzers!

188 posted on 01/28/2016 10:34:58 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: dmz

That was the comment (1942) I was responding to in my response.


189 posted on 01/28/2016 10:43:05 AM PST by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!)
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To: JediJones

So, are there enough conservative republicans in the Congress for President Cruz to work with to change the direction of the country? Is Lyin’ Ryan going anywhere? Mitch certainly isn’t going anywhere for another four years.

Yes, Ted Cruz has pointed out flaws in our party. That alone qualifies him as a Great Conservative! Pointing out flaws has been all that Conservatives have done since Ronald Reagan left office. The question is what has Ted Cruz done that shows he can get a legislature to do something he wants to do. What has Ted Cruz done to make the Republican Party more appealing to new voters? How many Reagan Democrats have come back because of Ted Cruz?

Are you really that afraid that Donald Trump will improve things so much that there won’t be anything to complain about? Really, think about why you want to “conserve” the current state of things, because that is what you will be doing if you vote for Ted Cruz, or any of the others.


190 posted on 01/28/2016 10:48:53 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

God I hope so!
Go Trump


191 posted on 01/28/2016 10:59:50 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: JediJones
My standards are no more phonier or ridiculous than yours. I applied the same standards that libbyu wrote. In fact, I used the same formatting and style.

He's done EVERYTHING to advance the conservative agenda. His shutdown directly led to a sweep of Republicans in Congress.

Um no, Obama led to the GOP sweep. In both 2010 and 2014, the GOP was elected based on their promise to fight Obama and his liberal agenda.

Do you think Rush Limbaugh should be taken off the air because his show hasn't led to total conservative majorities

No. But then again, Rush is not running for president. I consider him more of an educator who is trying to inform the masses.

The fact of the matter is that I always hear the reason that I should vote for Cruz is because Trump is a liberal. Furthermore, they label any Trump supporter as "trumpeets", "trumpbots", etc. Hence my post. I merely pointed out that Ted voted a few time for things that I find questionable. We blame Rubio for joining the Gang of 8, slam Trump for his past views, but give Ted a pass on his questionable votes.

I like Cruz and would vote for him if he were the nominee, but feel that Trump is doing things that I wanted us to do for decades, fight. It's gloves off time.

If not for him, would border security be mentioned? When was the last time someone owned the media like he has (maybe Reagan)? When the last debate turned to the economy and trade, he owned it. He went so far as to educate Cavuto on where he was wrong. The man fights and does it well. He dispatched with Yeb in very short order. Something we can both agree on was a good move. Is he brash and crass, absolutely. But politics is ugly.

I further believe that his viewpoints and appeal make him more likely to win the presidency than Cruz. He has struck a nerve and has broad range appeal. The biggest problem I see with Ted is that he has the same problem that Palin has, the media successfully labelled them. That is the media's standard operating procedure to any non-democrat. They have unsuccessfully tried to do the same thing to Trump. However, it has not worked yet, and probably won't. If Trump were to win the nomination, I am certain that Bernie or Hillary would have their hands full. He already calls Bernie a communist, and says that Hillary should be in jail.

192 posted on 01/28/2016 11:10:12 AM PST by stratboy
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To: JediJones
Name me one thing conservative thing that was done in government because of Trump

Trump is not in government. Last time I checked he was and always has been in the private sector. Cruz, on the other hand, has been in the Senate for only 3 years.

193 posted on 01/28/2016 11:12:28 AM PST by stratboy
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To: JediJones

Sigh, if you think Cruz has a chance in hell in a general election we are just going to have to disagree. Please don’t try to compare Reagan to Cruz, its insulting. Reagan couldn’t get elected today because you ideological purists would be bashing him for his years as a Democrat prior to him changing parties...

Cruz is no Reagan, he doesn’t have one ounce of the charm or personality of Reagan. Reagan didn’t simply win because he was a conservative, he won because he had the X factor as well, something Cruz is lacking in spades. You want to run an ideological conservative, fine, you might even win with one, but Cruz ain’t it. He preaches to the choir and that is all, he doesn’t have the personality or charm to remotely be mentioned in the same breath as Reagan.

As to Bush, seriously? A squeaker election doesn’t bode well for that argument.

I like Cruz, but his devotees are flat out self deluded. He can’t even get support enough to win in the Republican Primaries, where his ideological “purity” (snicker) should be an asset to him.

If you can’t win a primary, you can’t win a general. So far, Cruz isn’t looking like he’s anywhere close to being a victor in the primary race. Could that change? Maybe, time will tell... but it ain’t looking good right now.

So please, take your, if we just run a conservative we’ll win nonsense and take it back into the loser locker room, with every other ideologue who’s never gotten past primary season.

As to McCain, he had no chance of winning, Reagan himself could have run in 08 and would have lost, the electorate was not going to put another Republican into the White House after what was perceived as the disaster of the Bush years... and as to Romney, mismanagement of his GOTV is the only reason we got an Obama second term... the failure of this is well documented. Crediting ideological purity with victory is a dubious argument at best.. it ignores so much of what is the election process.

Republicans should be a shoe in, any of them this year, after the disaster of the last 8 years, but they won’t be, because the divide in america has formented around urban vs rural. Heavily Urban population states, particularly in the north east, midwest, west coast, and mid atlantic have become locks for the democrats, and the south and central US are largely locks for the Republicans. Ideological candidates aren’t going to largely break through on either side, which means you wind up with elections where the GOTV effort in a few “battleground” states pick your victor. NO ideologue is going to break that, on either side.


194 posted on 01/28/2016 11:17:24 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Wilhelm Tell
It would be nice if more Trump supporters could simply state the details as they understand them without calling questioners names

You mean like the way the Cruz supporters say:

Trumpkins, Trumpbots, Trumpettes?

195 posted on 01/28/2016 11:20:38 AM PST by stratboy
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Trump panders shamelessly to whoever he's talking to, he has no genuine ideology, and he won't feel tied to anything he's said before, any more than he's tied to his previous positions on health care or abortion.

Just like the GOP-E!

Pot meet Kettle.

196 posted on 01/28/2016 11:21:17 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: JediJones

Trumpkin? Interesting... attack the messenger, not the message, the last vestige of the lost argument.

You miss the forest for the trees, and are getting worked up over irrelevant data.

Let me ask you 1 simple question, if a candidate wins a state, with the exception of Maine and Nebraska, by 1 vote or by 1 Million votes, do they get any more EC votes??

I have no doubt Cruz would carry many Red States by larger margins than Trump likely will, but he will also lose primarily blue states by huge margins. So, lets break it down.

So, lets play hypothetical:

Cruz wins say TX 60 to 40% and loses NY by 40% to 60%

Trump wins GA 52% to 48% and winds NY by 51 to 49%

Which one did better? Cruz averaged 50% of the two states, but only won one. Trump averaged 51.5% of the two states, and won both, even though his margin of victory was much smaller in TX, and his margin of victory was tiny in NY, he still won both Cruz won only 1.

Look at the electoral map from 2012... tell me which states do you see Cruz, or any of the other traditional republicans flipping for that matter? I’ll even give you FL and OH, with that the Republican is still 17 votes shy... So where does Cruz flip? VA? Maybe, but still a few votes shy if you get that, and with N VA now basically little DC, can’t reliably depend on that happening. But eve if you do, you still have to grap 4 more, meaning 1 of the battleground states IA, NM,CO NV... if you don’t flip VA, then you have to take 3 out of the remaining 4 battleground states to win... That’s a gnarly low likelyhood... you basically are in an election that boils down to GOTV and gives you a squeaker at best, no coattails and nothing for the down ticket. Now, that’s how I see it, so you tell me where I’m wrong... what states beyond the ones I have mentioned to you honestly think Cruz or anyone but Trump honestly has a chance in hell of flipping comparied to the 2012 map?

Trump on the other hand, opens up many possibilities in the map, upper midwest, Mid Atlantic and even some of the New England states, as well as the traditional battlegrounds now are truly in play.... The path to win the White House is not only more open, but broader as well. We he win them all? Of course not, but Democrats will need to play defense in areas they have for decades taken for granted... He certainly can win a few of them.

Now back to your polls, do you honestly think Trumps numbers have peaked? Every poll his numbers go up, among republicans, and in the head to heads with Hillary and Sanders. If you think that his numbers are going to remain where they are or fall between now and November if he is the nominee you haven’t been paying attention. How many polls existed in previous cycles showing this guy or that person winning head to head, to not even get past the primaries? Elections are 10 months away, at this point in 08 McCain was virtually written off.... etc etc etc...

If you think poll numbers now, are what they will be in 10 months, you haven’t lived through too many elections.


197 posted on 01/28/2016 11:41:58 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: McGruff

Daniel 8:23

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


198 posted on 01/28/2016 12:00:49 PM PST by Cats Pajamas
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To: JediJones
Here is why Cruz will lose in a general election: Ted Cruz says Bill Clinton not an issue in presidential race

Ted Cruz says he won’t use former President Bill Clinton’s political liabilities against Democratic presidential contender and former first lady Hillary Clinton.

"I am not interested in getting into personal attacks and innuendo," he said Tuesday at a news conference in Cisco. "Hillary Clinton’s biggest liability is that her policies are a disaster."

New York businessman Donald Trump, the front-runner in the Republican race for president, has used Twitter to black Bill Clinton as abusive to women.

"If Hillary thinks she can unleash her husband, with his terrible record of women abuse, while playing the women’s card on me, she’s wrong!" Mr. Trump said Monday via Twitter.

Cruz says he won't engage in such attacks.

We need a fighter as a candidate. The Dems start with a huge electoral advantage. We need a street fighter who is willing to get down in the mud and the blood and the beer. Nothing should be taken off the table. It is win at all costs. Cruz does not have that win at all costs mentality. He is suffering from the traditional Rep strategy of not stooping to the level of the opponent. That spells loser.

We got sold a bill of goods how McCain was the strongest candidate to go against Obama. The polls are meaningless at this point when it comes to the general election. Cruz has already been painted into the radical right corner. It will take Dem voters to elect a Rep. Romney won the non-Hispanic white vote 59-39 and the Independent vcte and still lost by 5 million votes and despite Obama getting 3.5 million fewer votes than 2008 and Romney getting a million more votes than McCain.

He has the latino factor which cannot hurt with the growing latino voter segment

God help us if we still have people like you that think we can beat the Dems in the game of identity politics. Hispanics are traditional Dems. They support Big Government with more services. They are not going to support Cruz any more than blacks support black Rep candidates.


199 posted on 01/28/2016 12:16:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: WKUHilltopper

This is by far the strangest season, writers writing about a man they probably have never met, never had a conversation with yet intend to convince me that they know him inside and out.

To your point regarding the GOPe, point on. They are snakes, every last one of them.


200 posted on 01/28/2016 2:40:08 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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