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To: VanDeKoik

The argument for Cruz’s eligibility hinges on the Naturalization Act of 1790. The problem is, this act was repealed. And, no other subsequent laws by Congress ever used the words “natural born citizen.” They didn’t because they don’t, because of the Constitution, redefine the term as used by the Framers, “natural born citizen.” Anyone who know what the Framers intended, will not confuse the term “natural born citizen” with “citizen.” Those who do, are doing what Obama did to fraudulently slip into office illegible to serve.


16 posted on 01/27/2016 2:32:15 PM PST by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
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To: jonrick46
How STUPID CAN YOU GET with THAT CIRCLE 'STRAW MAN" Argument ?
The ORIGINAL DEFINITION has ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED !

You can READ THE FOUNDING FATHERS OWN DEFINITION OF "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN:" . Also Notice the signature blocks at the bottom of this:



1st United States Congress, 21-26 Senators and 59-65 Representatives



25 posted on 01/27/2016 2:38:22 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: jonrick46

Anyone who know what the Framers intended, will not confuse the term `natural born citizen’ with `citizen.’

Precisely. All natural born citizens are also citizens, but all citizens are not necessarily also natural born citizens. This is the point. Period.

Some here seem to be intentionally muddling that important distinction because they know it means that all a foreign-born candidate can hope for is citizenship. A citizen not a natural born citizen can serve in any job in this great country but two: president or vice-president.

This is the same argument we made seven years ago; arguing to the contrary can only be attributed to zealous partisanship.

Also (as some one else in this thread pointed out), it is pointless to cite a complex string of statutes and acts that support your position that a citizen is also a natural born citizen because the only way that Article 1, section 2 clause 5 can be changed is with a constitutional amendment.
We all know, or should know that ....

The only reason anyone would do that would be to throw as much as possible against the wall, hoping that something stuck.

It is painful to see the contortions of some here trying to square this circle by tormenting this ancient logical proof:
Socrates is an Athenian
All Athenians are Greeks
Socrates is Greek.

`But hold on! Maybe Socrates was a northern Athenian. And not all Athenians were Attic Greek, some were visitors, basement dwellers, so not all were Greek ... if Socrates was `Greek’ then so is my candidate, Alcibiades. And it isn’t fair that Cleo was from Sicily but allowed to run for counsel while my man cannot. Let me present the ruling of the Archons, subsection three of Article four, ii. 8392 where Pericles measured his foot and found that Socrates was actually ...’ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ockhams/Occam’s razor, or `the principle of parsimony’: “Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected”.

There’s no reason to `reinvent the wheel’ here, unless one has an ulterior motive; we don’t need anyone to speak for the framers of the Constitution—they spoke for themselves.

The framers used two words: “natural born citizens’ and “citizens” in Article 2, Section 1, clause 5.

Every president since the first American president, Martin Van Buren, has been born on American soil: a natural born citizen; all of the presidents before him—citizens—were born in the American British colonies.

In that context, why is that? Why was every single American-British president and American president born on American soil?
Could it be that the distinction between “natural born citizens” and “citizens” was their understanding of the clause as well?

Don’t make yourselves crazy over this, FRiends. It’s not that complicated unless you make it, or allow it to be made complicated.


48 posted on 01/27/2016 4:05:54 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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