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Iraq says Saudi, Russia change tone on possible oil deal
reuters.com ^ | Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:30pm EST | Rania El Gamal

Posted on 01/27/2016 7:47:46 AM PST by Trumpinator

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:30pm EST

Iraq says Saudi, Russia change tone on possible oil deal

KUWAIT | By Rania El Gamal

OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia and top non-OPEC producer Russia are showing signs of flexibility about agreeing to tackle an oil glut that has pushed prices to 12-year lows, the oil minister of Iraq said on Tuesday.

"We have seen some flexibility from the brothers in Saudi and a change in tone from Russia," Adel Abdel Mahdi, whose country is the second-largest producer in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, said.

His comments, made in Kuwait, boosted Brent crude by 3 percent to above $31 a barrel, although such an idea has been repeatedly mooted and dismissed for more than a year.

"This should be finalised and we should hear some solid suggestions coming from all parts, from OPEC and non-OPEC, at least from OPEC," the minister said.

A day earlier, senior officials from OPEC and Russia stepped up vague talk of possible joint action to fix the supply glut.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: blackmail; chickens; nuclear; oil; saudis; squawk
Saudis started an oil war with Russia to punish them for Syria intervention and they just blinked? So what will be the new oil normal?
1 posted on 01/27/2016 7:47:46 AM PST by Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator

Russia is also at record production.

But no country affected oil production and consequently prices as much as the US.


2 posted on 01/27/2016 7:49:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Trumpinator

In the past 5 years:
US production grew by 75% (4.1 mmbpd)
Russia Production grew by 13% (1.2 mmbpd)
Saudi Arabia Production grew by 5% (0.5 mmbpd)

http://www.eia.gov/beta/international/data/browser/#?ord=CR&cy=201506&v=H&vo=0&so=0&io=0&start=201006&end=201506&vs=INTL.57-1-RUS-TBPD.Q~INTL.57-1-SAU-TBPD.Q~INTL.57-1-USA-TBPD.Q&c=000000000000000000000000000000000000000500000002&pa=00000000000000000000000000000000002&f=Q&ug=g&ct=0&tl_type=p&tl_id=5-Q&s=

In the past 3 years:
US production grew by 51% (3.2 mmbpd)
Russia Production grew by 2% (0.2 mmbpd)
Saudi Arabia Production grew by 3% (0.3 mmbpd)


3 posted on 01/27/2016 7:59:20 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Trumpinator

Yet there’s little sign the countries themselves are ready to reach an agreement despite the economic damage wrought by the lowest prices since 2003. Long-standing obstacles remain — Saudi Arabia’s desire to defend market share, Russia’s inability to cut production in winter months — and analysts say talk of a deal probably reflects the hope of producers in pain rather than the expectation of concrete action.

The two countries’ opposing views on Syria, where Russia is President Bashar Al-Assad’s closest ally and Saudi Arabia wants him gone, present another significant diplomatic obstacle.

“It will not happen — everybody is winking, hinting,” said Kamel al-Harami, an independent oil analyst and former executive of state-owned Kuwait Petroleum Corp. “The Saudis won’t do it without the Russians. Unless Russia accepts to cut, I don’t see it happening.”

The signs from Saudi Arabia and Russia, which together with the U.S. are the only countries pumping more than 10 million barrels a day, are that a deal isn’t under consideration.

http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/142705/Why_A_RussianSaudi_Deal_On_Cutting_Oil_Output_Remains_Elusive/?all=HG2


4 posted on 01/27/2016 8:26:02 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Unless the ChiComs start driving again it won’t happen anyway.


5 posted on 01/27/2016 8:28:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

China’s oil consumption is still growing, just growing slower. World oil consumption is still growing as well. But Oil Production grew faster.


6 posted on 01/27/2016 8:37:33 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Trumpinator
Influential political folks need to keep oil prices below $35 for as long as it takes, but they're afraid of nuclear blackmail...and afraid of their own shadows.

Putin Plays Down Russia's Deadly Dependence on Oil & Gas Revenues
OilPrice.com
By Al Fin
30 October 2012

Russia's federal budget is reliant on commodities revenues - according to official data, commodities contribute around 60 percent of the federal budget; in reality, that number is closer to 75--80 percent as much of the service sector depends on money from oil and gas. _Russia's Oil Luck or Curse

So, Putin claims a 50% dependency. Official data puts the number closer to 60%. And "in reality," the number may be as high as 80%. Or perhaps even more.


7 posted on 01/27/2016 10:40:47 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: thackney

Well as USA Today proudly mentioned,

Republicans talked about “drill baby drill” but it was Obama that made it happen.

And probably 47% of voters believe that.


8 posted on 01/27/2016 10:42:47 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: familyop
Russia taxes their population minimally because they don't like to pay taxes much. Not used to it and have no temperament for it. Russia taxes at 13% and that is fine for most Russians but that doe snot raise much revenue - hence reliance on oil and gas to fund the budget.

But Russia has alternative sources of revenue they can always fall back on until oil and gas rise up again. Gold, platinum, silver, diamonds and jems (natural and man made), rare earth metals, wheat export, timber, military hardware, space stuff, furs, etc.

So they have resources to fall back on to fund the state when oil and gas decline in price. It is more complicated that way but it is doable.

9 posted on 01/27/2016 10:53:51 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Unless the ChiComs start driving again it won't happen anyway."

Automotive industry in China
Wikipedia
While most of the cars manufactured in China are sold within China, exports reached 814,300 units in 2011.[4]...In 2010, both sales and production topped 18 million units, with 13.76 million passenger cars delivered, in each case the largest by any nation in history.[8] In 2014, total vehicles production in China reached 23.720 million, accounting for 26% of global automotive production.[9]

Automotive industry in India
Wikipedia
In 2009, India emerged as Asia's fourth largest exporter of passenger cars, behind Japan, South Korea, and Thailand,[3] overtaking Thailand to become third in 2010...More than 3.7 million automotive vehicles were produced in India in 2010 (an increase of 33.9%), making India the second fastest growing automobile market in the world (after China).[4][5] India's passenger car and commercial vehicle manufacturing industry recently overtook Brazil to become the sixth largest in the world, with an annual production of more than 3.9 million units in 2011.[6][7]

Plus the many millions of vehicles produced for driving in quite a few other "developing" countries.

There's big demand growing rapidly in those countries, and according to popular news, the USA produces more than enough oil to supply the world forever and ever with cheap fuel. So we'll export our dirty, smelly oil (as recently decided in Congress) to make our more equal countrymen rich and enjoy our quiet, electric cars and a clean environment full of animals that act like human beings (see Disney, insulated lifestyles of the rich and famous).

Pretty picture of the future, eh? Have you built your rickshaw, yet? We could start the Flintstone Taxi Service and get ourselves some of those cool, conical hats. What do you say? Kung Fu, anyone?

;-D


10 posted on 01/27/2016 10:58:26 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: Trumpinator
"'Are you Batman?' the boy asked. 'I am Batman,' Trump said.

There's also Trump the Bohunk's Boy Wonder.

PUTIN IS NUMBER ONE GREATEST PRESIDENT SONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBaSfgNJnE



11 posted on 01/27/2016 11:05:19 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: Trumpinator
"'Are you Batman?' the boy asked. 'I am Batman,' Trump said."

There's also the Boy Wonder of Trump the Bohunk.

PUTIN IS NUMBER ONE GREATEST PRESIDENT SONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBaSfgNJnE


[Little formatting and clarity correction there.]


12 posted on 01/27/2016 11:07:28 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop
I get the humor - but if you want to get serious - Putin is the greatest leader of Russia from a standpoint of freedom and wealth for the Russian people Russia has ever had.

That is not saying much about Russia's history of freedom but under Putin Russians are freer and have more income than the Russians had under every Czar ever and every Commie leader ever. Even with the economic down turn and squeezing of democracy Putin has done Russians are still freer and wealthier than under the Czars (When there was serfdom and when liberated from serfdom) and certainly freer and more wealthy than under the USSR's rule.

If you see it from that perspective Putin is the #1 president for Russians.

PS: I may argue the Russians were freer under Yeltsin but they were also poorer than they were before the USSR collapsed so at best Putin as a leader is #2 in the freer rank and #1 in the wealthier rank for all Russian rulers.

13 posted on 01/27/2016 11:15:13 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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"Putin is the greatest leader of Russia from a standpoint of freedom and wealth for the Russian people Russia has ever had."

I give credit for that to many of the common people of Russia, Czech and Poland during the late 1970s and 1980s. Nonpolitical politics! And for those who see, there's a similar worldwide movement in an early stage now.


14 posted on 01/27/2016 5:13:44 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: Trumpinator

The current movement will be much more powerful in time, by the way, but time is on our side.


15 posted on 01/27/2016 5:15:42 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: Trumpinator

One small effort of many around the world.

Marcin Jakubowski - The Open Source Economy | @marioninstitute
https://youtu.be/MIIzogiUHFY?t=35s

Some of the quicker efforts are administered by groups of non-engineer technicians (known in employer circles now as “unskilled labor” in the “service economy”).


16 posted on 01/27/2016 5:19:58 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop
"Putin is the greatest leader of Russia from a standpoint of freedom and wealth for the Russian people Russia has ever had."

I give credit for that to many of the common people of Russia, Czech and Poland during the late 1970s and 1980s. Nonpolitical politics! And for those who see, there's a similar worldwide movement in an early stage now.

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Whatever the reasons - people power, etc, this period of prosperity and personal freedom for Russia is unprecedented (in a good way) under Putin. No Russian was ever this free nor so many lived so well under any Czar nor under any Soviet. Think on that. This tells you something of Russia's history that under Putin they are finally this level of wealth and freedom for the average Russian but that is the reality of it.

17 posted on 01/28/2016 6:23:41 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

You made some good points on public perceptions. Thanks.


18 posted on 01/28/2016 2:48:22 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop

Of course - as I stated before - per western standards the Russians are not as ‘free or wealthy’ but per Russian historical standards this is a golden age for them on the freedom and the wealth aspects.


19 posted on 01/29/2016 6:08:40 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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