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To: Walt Griffith

Does not apply to Cruz.
CITIZEN and NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Cruz was NOT born in the United States.
His parents WERE NOT RESIDENT in the US at the time of his birth.
BOTH if his parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth.

A tree is a plant, but not all plants are trees.

Jefferson was quite explicit on the matter of citizenship.

George Washington, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin ALL note the dependence on Vattel’s Law of Nations during their deliberations on Framing the Constitution.


14 posted on 01/17/2016 3:47:25 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

“BOTH if his parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth”

Are you sure about that.


38 posted on 01/17/2016 4:07:05 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Mollypitcher1
Vattel's Law of Nations is a European (Swiss?) work of political philosophy and utterly irrelevant to Cruz's eligibility to be POTUS or Obozo's eligibility or Rubio's eligibility or McCain's eligibility. The Founders were mostly Bible readers as well but no one in his or her right mind claims that Scripture is therefore in any way determinative of American secular law.

This Birther crap is nothing but a distraction from the hundreds of REAL ISSUES from which this nation is suffering but the circular firing squad crowd just MUST keep up their obsession with this irrelevant nonsense.

As to Cruz: He was born in Canada as McCain was born in Panama and as Obozo likely was hatched in Kenya and George Romney was born in Mexico (of parents who apparently had no intention of returning to the US although they eventually did). Thus he is not an NBC by locus of birth but rather by jus sanguinis (the law of blood relationship). He IS an NBC because his mother was an American citizen from her birth and never relinquished her citizenship though she resided with his then Cuban father in Canada.

If Cruz had been born on United States soil, THAT would have been sufficient unless his parent(s) were in the diplomatic service of some foreign government (which they were not) and therefore NOT SUBJECT to our laws by diplomatic immunity.

The worst that can be said for Cruz and his parents at the time of his birth is that, residing in Canada, made them subject to Canada's laws while they were in Canada. Just as if you or I would go to Paris to enjoy the museums and the restaurants we would be subject to French law while in France. If an illegal alien bandito robs a bank in San Antonio, he cannot successfully claim not to be subject to US and Texas laws against bank robbery, just because his citizenship is in a foreign land.

Where ONE parent or both is an American citizen, their child can be born in outer space, much less Canada, and the American citizenship flows from parent to child at birth.

A natural born citizen is a natural born citizen.

If every single member of the Constitutional Convention and every single state legislator who voted to ratify it, acknowledged Vattel's Law of Nations during their deliberations, that book would not in any way modify what was actually enacted. The Constitution IS what it IS and not what "Birthers" wish it to be, no matter how ardently.

Influential as he deserves to be for his monumental role in American history, Jefferson was diplomat in France during the Constitutional Convention. George Washington, John Jay and Benjamin Franklin were there but their personal motives and the sources they may have relied upon do not, ummm, trump what they and others enacted.

A national debt nearing $21 trillion with annual deficits exceeding $1 trillion, thanks to Obozo, McConnell, Ryan-o and their latest Cromnibus; 60 million slaughtered innocent babies and counting; Fudgepacking posing as the basis for "marriage" according to SCOTUS; Iran busily building nuclear weapons capability and obtaining ICBMs as well; disarmament of our own military lest the next administration be tempted to defend Western Civilization and our own population; forced retirement of the leading general officers and senior noncoms as well in each service; envirowhackos seeking to use globaloney "climate change" as an excuse to end what is left of American industry; colossal numbers of now unemployable Americans forced into the clutches of the welfare state; refusal to address the impending financial collapse of Social Security and Medicare by Obozo's policies; unrestrained immigration particularly from Islamofascist hellholes and a direct threat to the physical well-being and security of our people; gun grabbing and never-ending attempts to confiscate all private weapons lest we be able to defend ourselves from domestic criminals, illegal alien criminals, Islamofascist nutcases and other Obozo allies; etc., etc., etc. And all that the Birthers, including (increasingly) The Donald and his supporters can obsess on is Birtherism??????

I still intend to vote for Cruz in the primary and either Cruz or Trump in the general, whoever has the GOP nomination between the two of them or even Marco Rubio, but this Birther crapola is not inspiring confidence.

83 posted on 01/17/2016 6:04:19 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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