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To: Hugin

So, what you are saying is every soldier who’s been overseas and had a baby on that base, that baby is not a citizen? Or a tourist who’s pregnant and goes into labor in say, Italy, comes home with a non citizen child? Or an ambassador to a foreign country or an employee sent to a foreign country for a few years. Their children are not citizens?
Give me a break.


29 posted on 01/17/2016 3:26:46 AM PST by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: lucky american

A citizen yes, but maybe not a Natural Born citizen.


39 posted on 01/17/2016 4:25:39 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: lucky american
So, what you are saying is every soldier who’s been overseas and had a baby on that base, that baby is not a citizen?

Nobody is saying that he's not a citizen. The question is whether he fits the definition of a "natural born citizen", and if being born a citizen is always the same thing. And I'm not saying either side is right, only that there are arguments on both sides, and it hasn't ever been defined by a court. That is a fact. How a court may rule is anyone's guess.

BTW, children of foreign diplomats are explicitly exempted from being citizens in that clause of the constitution. So clearly they didn't consider them as being "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US.

40 posted on 01/17/2016 4:26:39 AM PST by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: lucky american

First, US Military Bases (not all) and Embassies in foreign countries are considered US sovereign land. The same applies to foreign countries embassies within the US, it is part of the agreement when establishing the embassy. So US military personnel or Ambassadors that have a child overseas on a US military installation (not all) or at an Embassy would be considered U.S. Citizens as if they were born here in the States.

A tourist who is a U.S. Citizen in a foreign country is required by statutes/law to report the birth to the U.S. Embassy/Consulate. This citizenship is granted by statute. Failure to file the required documents and/or failure to meet the requirements within the statutes could prevent the child from being recognized by the U.S. as a Citizen, and the child would have to become naturalized as a foreigner, albeit this is unlikely as a U.S. Citizen on vacation would likely meet all necessary requirements.


50 posted on 01/17/2016 4:48:16 AM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: lucky american

What are the laws in place at the time of Edward’s birth? Does his Cuban father and his
being born in another county make Edward a US citizen because of his mother’s heritage?
Lots of arguments can be raised by both sides.


58 posted on 01/17/2016 4:56:23 AM PST by deport
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To: lucky american
So, what you are saying is every soldier who has been overseas and had a baby on that base, that baby is not a citizen? Or a tourist who is pregnant and goes into labor in say, Italy, comes home with a non citizen child? Or an ambassador to a foreign country or an employee sent to a foreign country for a few years. Their children are not citizens? Give me a break.

Agreed that this is idiotic. Trump took the bait from leading anti-conservative law professor Lawrence Tribe, who delights in Conservatives warring on each other, and done more to damage the Constitution than any other American beside Barack Obama.

---yet Trump is championing a Constitution-trasher like Tribe. Count me out.

If they aren't natural-born, then they need to be naturalized, if they haven't been naturalized, they are not citizens at all, have no recognized status, no green card, and can't vote, get a passport, legally work in the US, and under Trump would have to be deported.

Tag-Team Trump and Tribe. Despicable.

95 posted on 01/17/2016 6:47:02 AM PST by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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To: lucky american
that baby is not a citizen?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one is say that.

To be president of the United States of America a man or woman must be a **natural born*** citizen.

110 posted on 01/17/2016 7:35:12 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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