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To: itsahoot

You need to read the 1790 act

I don’t think anyone has ever had it clarified to run

It is the only founders use of the term natural born

And it specifically claims father has to be a citizen if child born abroad

To be a regular citizen it only takes one parent to be a citizen if born abroad

The Dems will bring suit for clarification better to get a ruling now

Romney had two US citizen parents

McCain as well both parents US citizens and he may have been born on US Canal Zone land I’m not sure

Goldwater too I think and born on US territory

Cruz had a dad with Cuban and Canadian citizenship at least and a US mom and was born on foreign soil and I think was a Canadian citizen as a boy till he moved here even though he qualified at birth as US citizen

But is he a natural born citizen per the founders design?

I’m not sure

I support Cruz or Trump but I’d rather know now than later and I think it’s a legitimate question

So far all I see if huff and puff over it even from sources I usually agree with

No one seems capable to be impartial and really figure it out

It’s just sound and fury


1,589 posted on 01/14/2016 7:05:13 PM PST by wardaddy (Save western civilization and save the world....lose it & it's a dark ages unknown to human history)
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To: wardaddy
even though he qualified at birth as US citizen

At birth, he was qualified to receive a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, as authorized by statute under Congress' authority to make an uniform rule of naturalization.

Whether he did or did not receive a CRBA in a timely way or not is unknown. His campaign posted his Canadian birth certificate, so far, I don't believe we've seen his CRBA.

It is most certainly NOT a resolved issue (and it may be unresolvable) whether the son of an alien father born abroad is an NBC. If there is a way to resolve it, the GOP should move promptly to do so.

But there may be no such path to resolution. The courts decide "cases and controversies", they don't generally respond to requests for clarification and they don't issue declaratory judgements without a plaintiff or injured party. It's not clear that there is such a person here.

1,800 posted on 01/14/2016 7:13:23 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: wardaddy

Son of an alien father, born abroad.

Citizen by statute? Probably (his mother may have had dual citizenship, we don’t know).

Natural born? Completely unclear. If a computer designed a test case, this would be it. But we do not clearly have a plaintiff with standing.


1,860 posted on 01/14/2016 7:16:20 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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