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The original intent of the framers lies paramount, not the SCOTUS, and not especially the SCOTUS that gave us Roe vs Wade and all other atrocities since.

Consider that, before we started messing with His Plan, our Heavenly Father's rule originally was that it takes two to make one, right?

Therefore, from that natural law of our Creator, it naturally follows that it takes two citizens to make a "natural born" citizen, that is, citizenship as would be determined solely by the law of nature, by parents and birth soil alone, agreed?

This would be so obvious that no lawyers would be needed to explain it. Even the least educated and the poorest of the poor would understand something so basic.

Our Founding Fathers would have considered it to be a "self-evident" truth, once upon a time, in that America now far, far away.

A child born here to citizens can only be a citizen of here. That's it, there are no other options, right?

By nature, and by any law of citizenship you can name, a child born in country, to citizens of that country, is a citizen of that country and no other place on the planet.

That is as original and as it gets, and as self-evident as it gets, so it's likely the FFs didn't see the need to define something so obvious. What's the point?

They weren't writing a dictionary, but fortunately they eventually did realize they needed to define our most basic rights.

Good thing! And people still find loop holes in them in order to limit them and over turn them!

The FFs' descriptive term for a citizen born here to citizens was a "natural born" citizen.

Not a native born citizen, not a born citizen nor a naturalized citizen. A Natural Born Citizen.

AND...the FFs required a NBC for only one position: the single most powerful person in the single most powerful position in their new Republic. Think about it...

Makes sense to me. I see it as self-evident. Verifiable, too.

***Here's a fun test: Be like a lawyer and switch sides to the above point of view, then argue from that side and see how convincing you are.

175 posted on 01/14/2016 6:11:33 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

RE: from that natural law of our Creator, it naturally follows that it takes two citizens to make a “natural born” citizen,

Where in the law of our Creator ( e.g. the Bible ) does it tell us that?

Why does it require TWO citizens to make one natural born?

Why not simply the father or mother?

RE: citizenship as would be determined solely by the law of nature, by parents and birth soil alone, agreed?

I will agree if you modify the plural with the singular.

If you do not need to go through the naturalization process to be a citizen, then you are BY BIRTH, a citizen, i.e., natural born.


184 posted on 01/15/2016 6:45:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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