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To: Nextrush

The feds have no right to take over the majority of a state, and in the west that is exactly what they have done.


5 posted on 01/14/2016 5:42:40 AM PST by refermech
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To: refermech

I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do like those who support the political machines do.

The Democrats contained Ferguson and Baltimore and the Republicans in Oregon who are elected officials are trying to contain things in Harney County.

JFK and the Democrats worked relentlessly to shut down MLK with FBI informants and eventually the FBI audio tapes of his sexual trysts.

The Uniparty politics of this country will not reverse the wrongs done to the land owners out West by the federal government and a lot of other wrongs on a host of other issues like the debt ceiling, Obamacare etc. etc..

I hope in my heart for a new political party and I also accept that some sort of action beyond politics is also a possibility and it appears to materializing in Oregon.

Quite often historically that has led to violence, I hope not and I pray not, but it has.


7 posted on 01/14/2016 5:55:57 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: refermech

“The feds have no right to take over the majority of a state, and in the west that is exactly what they have done.”

By the very sequence of events, the federal government extended authority over lands it either purchased or seized. Private ownership of land was granted by law in various ways, some of which involved recognition of homesteads that were grandfathered. Others had give up their claims. In order to encourage settlement, the government gave blocks of land to people who would farm it, or to the railroads to pay for laying track.

But now that an area is settled, the burden must be shifted to force the federal government to cede all lands to private ownership unless a compelling public interest is served. Well, with socialists in power, anything they want is a “compelling public interest”. On this very forum, we have seen maps of UN projects where most of the lands in the US are under government control so as to return the land to its “natural biosphere”, including corridors so the buffalo can resume roaming the range from Texas to Canada.

What utter foolishness. What utter Gaia worship. What utter destruction of our liberty.

The federal government cannot take care of the lands it presently has under management. Recall when Yellowstone Park was on fire due to the way they managed the vast forest there. We spend billions of dollars so that we can have vast tracts that is off limits to any permanent human presence. There is one whole vast rivershed in Alaska that is off limits.

Socialists act like they can sequester vast amounts of natural resources without economic or social consequence. Yes, we need to preserve special areas for future generations, but we cannot make the whole of the west a “special area” like so many want to do.

And when you give a bureaucracy a budget, it only wants more. When you give the BLM lands to manage, they only crave more.

Part of this was enabled and set into motion when the government in 1913 gave itself the power to create near-infinite amounts of money out of thin air. Government used the money to hire more bureaucrats and enforcement agents. It also buys votes by funding “benefits”.

Government used to be restrained by the sheer limit on the amount of tax receipts in the till. But no more. That is why the first order of business for the Article V Convention that the States must call will be to find ways to strictly limit federal spending to federal tax receipts.

Spending is what drives tax policy, tax rates, federal debt creation and how the banking system is regulated. One way to help peacefully resolve the standoff in Oregon is to so constrain federal spending that the BLM must start selling land rather than trying to acquire control of more.


13 posted on 01/14/2016 6:45:14 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: refermech
The feds have no right to take over the majority of a state, and in the west that is exactly what they have done.

No right, but they'll make a law or executive order to cover that. Wetland control, even over private property. Protect endangered bugs and lizards, even on your private property. Coastland control, even if you own beachfront property (even on lakes and rivers). Feds don't respect private rights, they just trample them at the point of guns.

16 posted on 01/14/2016 10:58:15 AM PST by roadcat
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