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Cruz: "As President, I'll defend our Constitution!"
Facebook.com ^ | 1/13/2016 | Ted Cruz

Posted on 01/13/2016 6:43:03 AM PST by Jim W N

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To: RummyChick
And if one reads the constitution, it is purely jus soli - Art IV, Sec. 2 and 14th amendment. Those parts of the constitution define NBC to the extent that they establish that born-abroad, at the place the parents reside, isn't NBC, it is naturalized.

It will be tricky to convert jus soli into jus sanguinas, and it's impossible to do so for Cruz (intellectually honestly) using a textual analysis of the constitution, and in light of Rogers v. Bellei and assorted other precedents.

I agree with you that SCOTUS is a crap shoot. Might as well toss a coin. They pick the outcome they want, and cherry pick law to get the result.

21 posted on 01/13/2016 7:46:50 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: wintertime

That isn’t correct. It would be a time of birth not necessarily now. Some accounts are that she maintained her citizenship. Others say she gave it up.

There have been several attempts to ratify an amendment about Titled people running for POTUS but so far it hasn’t worked.


22 posted on 01/13/2016 7:51:01 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

So...which one of the candidates fits your bill? Trump?

They all say what they think you want to hear and all of their supporters go into trances over it.

We simply must pick the person most suited to the job. I thought it might be Trump but I can’t deal with some of his pointless harangues. Cruz, I admire as willing to take the long odds and at least try.

Rubio will make the 3 trailer parks full of Mehicans permanent estates.

Point is they all have issues.

But ANY of them would be preferable to Hitlery or Burnie..


23 posted on 01/13/2016 7:51:29 AM PST by Adder (Get back, Lo-retta!)
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To: Wissa

That’s cute, but he’s the only person running for president who has a record of doing just that (adhering to the principles of the constitution). If your premise is correct, then anytime Obama mentions the word constitution people would swoon, right?

If you think for a minute that any president can single-handedly dismantle the federal government leviathan, you’re deluding yourself. I would love to hear Cruz and Trump discuss the extra-constitutional nature of almost everything the federal government is doing, but I doubt that Trump’s knowledge of the constitution is anymore extensive than his knowledge of international affairs.


24 posted on 01/13/2016 7:54:26 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I'm not saying the Constitution is unimportant,

Well, thanks a lot for that...

but it shouldn't be in your sales pitch at every opportunity.

Isn't it strange how for seven years, we hear on this site, a full throated and unanimous roar on the outrages against the Constitution; and now we give it the "Yeah, but...." treatment.

How deep does THAT rabbit hole go?

25 posted on 01/13/2016 8:04:34 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Adder
I like Trump.

He can win.

I like Trump because:

I think he'll make sure Hillary and a lot of other Liberals go to trial and then prison.

That's my barometer. That's my standard. Liberal criminals in prison.

The corruption is so rampant in politics now that they don't even bother to try to hide it anymore.

I honestly don't think Cruz will attack Liberalism and Liberals and make sure the criminals are held accountable.

I honestly don't think Cruz will get to the bottom of Bengazi, the IRS targeting, the Clinton Foundation, Hillary's email server, etc.

He's too much like Bush. Too mannerly. Too meek. Too squishy.

I was on this forum in the 90s. Every day I would read about the Clinton administration corruption. All the scandals. I remember being so happy when Bush was elected in 2000. These criminals will finally be held accountable.

And then...... NOTHING. Nothing was ever resolved. Bush let them completely off the hook. I think Cruz will do the same.

That's just my opinion about Cruz and Trump. I could be completely wrong.

26 posted on 01/13/2016 8:04:36 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: don-o
Isn't it strange how for seven years, we hear on this site, a full throated and unanimous roar on the outrages against the Constitution; and now we give it the "Yeah, but...." treatment. How deep does THAT rabbit hole go?

I don't roar about the Constitution. I'm not an expert on the Constitution and don't view the problems in our country through the lens of a Constitutional lawyer.

I also don't speak for anybody on this site except myself. If people want to cry about the Constitution, they can.

27 posted on 01/13/2016 8:07:54 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Jim 0216

This is getting completely ridiculous. While I, too, have my questions about Cruz, don’t any of the Trump supporters question the fact that, not long ago at all, Trump’s politics were more akin to those of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton than Ronald Reagan?

I love what Trump SAYS, but Trump is a populist extraordinaire. How much of what he says is really believable? Is there any evidence whatsoever that he’ll adhere to his promises and assurances (aside from tax increases and universal health care) anymore than John Boehner, Mitch McConnel, John McCain or anyone else in the GOPe? Does anyone really believe that he actually intends to round up over 11 million illegal aliens and deport them or that an “expedited process” that allows the “good ones” to return isn’t de facto amnesty? Does anyone really believe that, as one of the most successful real estate developers in the country, Trump is not beholden to the big investment banks? Do you realize that your abject hatred of Ted Cruz puts you right there with Boehner, McConnell, McCain, et al?

Ted Cruz isn’t a perfect candidate, but then, neither is Donald Trump.


28 posted on 01/13/2016 8:11:42 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: ManHunter
This is getting completely ridiculous. While I, too, have my questions about Cruz, dont any of the Trump supporters question the fact that, not long ago at all, Trumps politics were more akin to those of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton than Ronald Reagan?

I am aware that Trump may not be the biggest Conservative out there. I'm aware of his past.

Rush said the other day that he's known Trump for a long time. He says that Trump is NOT a Liberal. Rush said that Trump doesn't even think of those terms.

Which makes sense. Most people don't think of terms of if they're a "Liberal" or "Conservative."

I think Trump has been busting his ass for 40 years building a business. He made friends with anybody he thought would benefit his business. Why did he make friends with prominent Liberals?

Because they run the country. They have power. All of it. He would have been a fool to not pony up to those people.

America is at the point now that I don't care if Trump isn't a model of Conservatism. I'm fully aware that he's not.

I'm just looking for somebody stop the madness. America is bleeding. I think Trump can stop the bleeding.

If anybody thinks that Cruz can usher in a new dawn of American Conservatism just by the very fact that he's really REALLY conservative, then you'll fooling yourselves.

Making America normal and prosperous again will take years....decades. Liberals have been working to destroy America for a hundred years. It won't get fixed with one President.

This is a marathon, not a sprint.

29 posted on 01/13/2016 8:23:34 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

It looks like they’re lining up in the thread to prove the point.


30 posted on 01/13/2016 8:24:28 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Wissa
Yeah, I'm sure they are.

On a side note: I wish FR would allow us to edit our posts. I always see mistakes and typos after I click the Post button.

31 posted on 01/13/2016 8:29:22 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: ManHunter
I doubt that Trump’s knowledge of the constitution is anymore extensive than his knowledge of international affairs.

There's definitely some cognitive dissonance going on when he simultaneously advocates federal "single payer" health care and the jurisprudence of Clarence Thomas.

32 posted on 01/13/2016 8:31:50 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim 0216

Dear Ted,
You obviously have no intention of defending our constitution. The very fact that you are running is an indication that you spit on the constitution and what it stands for.

You even obtained your current position as Senator illegally. The Constitution clearly states a Senator must be nine years a citizen and you did not even renounce your Canadian citizenship, did not even disclose it until after your election.


33 posted on 01/13/2016 8:32:10 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I'm not saying the Constitution is unimportant, but it shouldn't be in your sales pitch at every opportunity.

That is all that is needed for some people. Just like some people respond to Ted's implicit message that he's memorized more Bible verses than any of the other candidates.

34 posted on 01/13/2016 8:35:06 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim 0216

Defending the Constitution is part of the oath of office found in the Constitution.

I would just like someone to defend Article II, Section 1.


35 posted on 01/13/2016 8:37:51 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

I can’t really take exception with your logic. However, for me, believing that Trump is actually willing to stop the madness and the bleeding requires a major leap of faith when nothing in his past indicates to me that he would actually do so. If Trump is nominated, I’ll vote for him, but I fear that Hillary would make him look like a fool in a debate.

As for Cruz, what people are saying of him today is very much akin to what people, including much of the GOP leadership, said of Ronald Reagan. And no, I don’t think Cruz is the reincarnation of Reagan, but he’s the closest we’ve seen since the Gipper himself.


36 posted on 01/13/2016 8:38:14 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: ManHunter
Thanks for the civil reply.

I'm not a Cruz basher at all. I love the guy. I think he would make a wonderful President.

I simply prefer Trump right now.

37 posted on 01/13/2016 8:41:57 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Wissa

That is all that is needed for some people. Just like some people respond to Ted's implicit message that he's memorized more Bible verses than any of the other candidates.

Very VERY well said.

The average American doesn't respond to a bunch of esoteric talk about the Constitution.

They respond to "I'm going to build a wall. It'll be the biggest and the best wall you've ever seen. And I'll make Mexico pay for it!"

38 posted on 01/13/2016 8:45:19 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: RummyChick
If Queen Noor was a citizen of the U.S. at the time of her son's birth, and registered her son as a citizen, and the son maintained his U.S. citizenship into adulthood ( as Cruz did) then he too could run for president and some conservatives would think this was OK.

Somehow, I don't think this is what the Founders had in mind when they wrote Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

39 posted on 01/13/2016 8:51:58 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I knew it was bad when Bush did NOTHING about the vandalism of the White House and Vice President offices and of Air Force One.
40 posted on 01/13/2016 8:55:21 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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