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On this “Natural Born Citizen” Issue, Part I: From Alexander Hamilton to Lynch v. Clarke
Red State ^ | May 21, 2012 | Jake Walke

Posted on 01/12/2016 3:53:27 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President...

-Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution

This is a passage that has weighed heavily upon us in recent years. There are those among us, known commonly as "Birthers" who dispute the eligibility of various politicians to be President or Vice-President of the United States. The most popular target of the Birthers is Barack Obama, of course, but of late, Birthers have been training their sights on the cases of Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, and probably others.

Leaving aside the birth certificate issue, which is unique to Obama's case (and for the record, I do believe he was born in Hawaii), the main sticking point for the Birthers is that all four of the politicians have at least one parent who was not born in America (indeed, Obama is the only one who had a parent who was an American citizen at the time of his birth, his mother). They are fond of quoting the line from Book I, Chapter XIX of Emmerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

While they are not wrong in that the Founders were fond of the book, there's one problem with trying to apply this interpretation to our Constitution: the United States' legal history.

I am planning this to be a mutli-part series. Part II will deal with the interpretation of this clause in the latter half of the 19th century, with particular emphasis placed on the 14th Amendment and later court cases. Part III, meanwhile, will deal with how the clause has been dealt with in the 20th century and in our day. So, let's jump right in.

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I believe it's best to start with Alexander Hamilton's draft of the Constitution. By his plan, the particular section relating to a President's eligibility would have said:

No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a citizen of one of the States or hereafter be born a citizen of the United States.

-Article IX, Section 1 of Hamilton's plan

This means that, under Hamilton's plan, and he was certainly important in the drafting of the Constitution (and as the Federalist Papers show, one of its biggest defenders), a President need only be born in the United States, with no "natural born" affixed to the term "citizen". There is no real explanation that I can find as to why the Committee of Eleven changed the phrase to its present form, but it was. Making it even worse, the Constitution itself does not define the term "natural born citizen". A quote from James Madison, popularly acknowledged as the "author" of the Constitution, provides a clue as to what our Founders meant. In one of his papers, dated the 22 May, 1789, he wrote the following (emphasis mine):

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

Having mentioned this, I think it would be best to now examine what early legal minds had to say on the subject. We'll start with Zephaniah Swift. He was a member of the Connecticut House of Representatives, serving as its Speaker in 1792, as well as clerk for four sessions. From 1793 to 1797, he served in the Federal Congress as well as a Pro-Administration representative in his first term and as a Federalist in his second. The Connecticut Judicial Branch in its biography of him says:

Judge Swift has been praised as one of the greatest early American jurists by Wesley W. Horton in his book, The Connecticut State Constitution. Swift studied at Yale before entering the practice of law, and represented the town of Windham in the General Assembly of Connecticut. He was elected to the U.S. Congress where he served from 1787 to 1793. A brief paragraph in the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress states he "also engaged in literary pursuits."

More specifically, Swift wrote the first legal treatise published in America. This work, A System of the Law of the State of Connecticut, published in 1795, presents Swift's observations on government, the constitution of the state, and differences between English and American common law. In 1810, Swift published the first treatise on the law of evidence.

So, this is a man who served with our Founding Fathers in the United States Congress. What does he have to say about the issue? In his legal treatise, he wrote:

"It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection...

The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens."

Meanwhile, in 1803, St. George Tucker, a lawyer, a professor at the College of William and Mary, judge on Virginia's high court, and U.S. district judge for Virginia, wrote this in 1803 in his work on Blackstone's Commentaries on English law:

That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence...

A very respectable political writer makes the following pertinent remarks upon this subject. "Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it.

Moving forward in time some, we find the works of James Kent. This is a man whose reputation in American law is such that one man, William Curtiss, wrote a book in 1900 called James Kent: The Father of American Jurisprudence, about him. Also of interest to us conservatives is a book written on him in 2000 called James Kent: A Study in Conservatism 1763-1847 by John Theodore Horton. Kent's most remembered work is his Commentaries on American Law, written between 1826 and 1830. This was a four volume magnum opus dealing with state, federal, and international law, as well as the law of personal property and rights. In Lecture XIII, which was on the Presidency, from Volume One, Part II, he states the following of the President's qualifications (emphasis mine):

2. Qualifications. - The Constitution requires (a) that the President shall be a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and that he shall have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and shall have been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Considering the greatness of the trust, and that this department is the ultimately efficient executive power in government, these restrictions will not appear altogether useless or unimportant. As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States, ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office, and the qualification of birth cuts off all those inducements from abroad to corruption, negotiation, and war, which have frequently and fatally harassed the elective monarchies of Germany and Poland, as well as the pontificate at Rome.

In Lecture XXV from Part IV of Volume II, Kent explains just who qualifies as a native (though it should be obvious):

1. Of Natives. -Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States.

Concurrent with Kent's work, we find William Rawle in agreement with him. According the the University of Pennsylvania's website on him (he served as a trustee of the university), Rawle was:

William Rawle quickly gained a reputation as an able attorney, eventually serving as chancellor of the Philadelphia Bar from 1822 until his death. As a Federalist he served a term in the Assembly, but found that politics were not to his liking. After his 1791 appointment by George Washington as U.S. District Attorney for Pennsylvania, Rawle handled the prosecutions stemming from the whiskey riots in the western part of Pennsylvania. He stepped down from this office in 1799.

In 1829, he wrote A View of the Constitution. In this work, he addresses what the term "natural born citizen" means on page 86:

Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity…Under our Constitution the question is settled by its express language, and when we are informed that, excepting those who were citizens, (however the capacity was acquired,) at the time the Constitution was adopted, no person is eligible to the office of president unless he is a natural born citizen, the principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality is established as to us.

In 1840, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Joseph Story, one of the most well-respected men to ever serve on that body, wrote his own Constitutional handbook titled A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States. On page 167, he addresses Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. After citing it in S269, he addresses the meaning of the citizenship requirement in S271, saying:

It is not too much to say, that no one, but a native citizen, ought ordinarily to be intrusted [sic] with an office so vital to the safety and liberties of the people.

Having seen what early legal minds had to say on the subject, and there are many more examples that could have been provided here beyond these five men, I think it's time to turn to what the courts have said on the matter. Before he wrote his handbook, Justice Story, in 1830, offered the following opinion in the Supreme Court case Inglis v. The Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor. From page 637 of the United States Supreme Court reports, Volumes 26-29, he says:

Now, allegiance is nothing more than the tie or duty of obedience of a subject to the sovereign under whose protection he is, and allegiance by birth is that which arises from being born within the dominions and under the protection of a particular sovereign. Two things usually concur to create citizenship: first, birth locally within the dominions of the sovereign, and secondly, birth within the protection and obedience, or, in other words, within the ligeance of the sovereign. That is, the party must be born within a place where the sovereign is at the time in full possession and exercise of his power, and the party must also at his birth derive protection from, and, consequently, owe obedience or allegiance to, the sovereign, as such, de facto.

And he continues on page 640:

That the father and mother of the demandant were British born subjects is admitted. If he was born before the 4th of July, 1776, it is as clear that he was born a British subject. If he was born after the 4th of July, 1776, and before the 15th of September, 1776 [When the British again occupied New York, where Inglis was born], he was born an American citizen, whether his parents were at the time of his birth British subjects or American citizens. Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.

The New York Court of Chancery case Lynch v. Clarke (and Lynch) (Bernard Lynch v. John Clarke and Julia Lynch) from 1844 is one of the most prescient and important cases dealing with the matter, and it is the most important case for this study before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment. The official report of the case describes on pages 587-88 the circumstances behind the case and of Julia's birth:

Her parents were British subjects, domicilled [sic] in Ireland. They came to this country in 1815, remained till the summer of 1819, and then returned to Ireland. Julia was born in the city of New-York, in the spring of 1819. Her parents took her with them on their return, and she remained in Ireland till after the death of Thomas Lynch [her uncle who lived in New York]. During the sojourn of her father here, Thomas hired a farm for him and paid the rent. Her father occupied the farm for a time, but it is proved that he was not contented here. One witness testified that Patrick Lynch (Julia's father) always wished to return to Ireland…It does not appear that he ever declared his intention to become a citizen under the act of Congress; or ever expressed any intention to reside here permanently. Some years after he returned to Ireland, he came here on a visit, without bringing his wife or any of his family; remained for six short months; and then returned to Ireland, where he and his wife continued to reside until their death.

As the report notes elsewhere, Thomas Lynch died intestate. Bernard Lynch was, like Patrick, a brother of Thomas. He had emigrated to the United States in 1834, and he was naturalized a citizen in 1839. "The legislature of this state, in 1841, passed an act entitling him to the real estate of Thomas," the report says on page 586, "saving, however, the claims of the heirs of Thomas, and the existing rights of Julia Lynch." In 1839, the state had passed a similar law in her favor, with the only thing in saving her from inheriting the estate being the heirs of Thomas at law. The case filed by Bernard before the court was that Julia had never been naturalized, and if she was entitled to any of Thomas Lynch's estate at all, it would be no more than one-fourth. Furthermore, the case recognized Mr. Clarke's claim to be the exclusive owner of Thomas' land.

However, Mr. Clarke spoke out in Julia's favor. Says the report on page 587:

Mr. Clarke... stated that the purchases at Saratoga were all made in his own name, and at his risk, and for his sole benefit. That [Thomas] Lynch had from the outset, refused to participate in the adventure, and for many years decried it. That a considerable part of the purchase money was paid out of the funds of the firm, but that the money was loaned to him by the firm, with the concurrence of Lynch, and he had repaid it all to the firm and to Lynch’s administrator. He also alleged that Julia Lynch was a citizen of the United States, and inherited all the real estate of Thomas Lynch.

Julia Lynch...insisted that she was a native born citizen, and as such inherited all the real estate whereof Thomas Lynch was seised [sic], or to which he was equitably entitled. She moreover claimed that by the act of the legislature in her favor, she was entitled to the whole property to the exclusion of the complainant [Bernard Lynch].

So, was Julia Lynch a citizen? That was the question before the court. The peculiar nature of the case meant that she must either have been a natural born citizen because she was born to her parents, though they were aliens, on U.S. soil, or that she was not a citizen at all because her parents were aliens regardless of the place of her birth and that she had never made any attempt to be naturalized.

To make a long story short, the court ruled in her favor. Over the course of the case, the Vice-Chancellor Lewis Sandford of the court noted the following (the Vice-Chancellor's opinion begins on page 637 of the report I have been citing, and I will cite the relevant page numbers at the end of each quote):

First. It is insisted by the defendants that the rule of the common law is to govern this case on the point of alienage.

It is an indisputable proposition, that by the rule of the common law of England, applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States.

-pp.638-639

Second. Such being the rule of common law in absence of express legislation, the difficult question is presented for decision; is the common law in this respect, the law of this state, or of the United States?

-pg. 639

Third. The next inquiry is therefore, what is the national law of the United States on this subject?

...At the formation of our present national government, the common law prevailed as a system of jurisprudence, in all the thirteen states which then constituted the nation...Both the former, and the present constitutions of this state declared, in effect, that the common law was the basis of the law in this state. (Constitution of 1777, Art. 35; Constitution of 1821, Art. 7 S 13.)

...It is indifferent whether we say that we inherited the common law or the principles of the common law. There is no doubt but that in all the thirteen colonies, it was the common origin of our jurisprudence.

-pp. 646-647

The Constitution of the United States, like those of all the original states (and in fact, of all the new states now forming the Union, with the exception of Louisiana,) presupposed the existence and the authority of the common law. The principles of that law were the basis of our institutions.

-pg. 652

What we have established thus far in the ruling is the following: -Under the common law of England, Julia Lynch would be considered a natural born citizen of the United States.

-The common law of England formed the basis of the law of New York, and both of the Constitutions the state had used up until 1844 made this evident.

-In this respect, New York was not essentially different from any of the other thirteen colonies.

-The United States Constitution and our national institutions were formed on the basis of the common law.

The next section that I am going to quote is the most important part of the case as it relates to the qualifications to eligible to seek the Presidency. Over the course of his remarks, the Vice-Chancellor opines on page 656 as to how this will relate to the Presidency (bolding mine due to the incredible importance of this part):

The only standard which then existed [when the Constitution was written], of a natural born citizen, was the rule of common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.

-pg. 656

The case also is important because it deals with de Vattel's definitions in his work I quoted earlier. Gilbert M. Speir, an attorney for Mr. Clarke says:

To find an authority in Vattel, we must be sure to find the proposition which is intended by the author to meet the case. Hence the error of the complainant's counsel. They cite Sec. 212, which is a definition in the limited and strictest sense of "natives and citizens," the smallest possible circle of that class. He does not define all who compose the citizens of a country, but when we read Sec. 215, we have the identical authority for the question at issue in this discussion; which is, in the language of the author, "whether children born of citizens in a foreign country, are citizens." "The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed." "By the law of nature, children follow the condition of the father; the place of birth produces no change in this particalar." "But civil and political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise." Now this is the authority, and the civil and political laws of England and the United States have decided that such children are citizens, and owe allegiance to the government." These regulations must be followed," says Mr. Vattel; for that is the public law in those countries, and that is his reason. The Supreme Court of the U. S. held the doctrine as thus laid down by Vattel in Dawson's Lessees v. Godfrey,(4 Cranch, 321.) And see Rutherforth's Institutes, ch. 2, p. 41.

Mr. Vattel says it is by the law of nature that "children follow the condition of their father;" but he decides this question by positive law, such as any particular country may ordain.

-pg. 613

Charles F. Grim, another attorney for Mr. Clarke, elaborates:

Vattel was quoted as an authority against the rule for which we contend. Yet if his own explanation of his own terms is used, it may be an authority in our favor; he prefaces this chapter by stating that he had previously defined the term native country, and refers to §122, where he says, "when we speak in general of the duty to our country, the term is to be understood as meaning the state of which a man is an actual member." Patrick Lynch was an actual member of this state at the time of his daughter’s birth.

Our state convention on 16th July, 1776, (see 20 Johns. R. 315, 326, which was referred to by the complainent's counsel, with approbation,) shows its views of national law; it declares "that all persons abiding within the state, and deriving protection from its laws, owe allegiance to its laws, and are members of the state," and then distinguishes those passing through merely, or visiting, or making a temporary stay.

-pp. 622-623

In the ruling on the case, Vice Chancellor Sandford takes his stab at the people appealing to de Vattel (bolding mine):

In reference to the argument that the United States should establish a rule on proper principles, and which shall be just to other nations, it may be said that this is purely a matter of municipal regulation, in every country. Vattel treats it as being legitimately within the control of each nation acting for itself. The rule of the common law is not unjust to other nations, in claiming as citizens those who are born here under the protection of our institutions and government. The other rule is more liable to the charge of injustice, viz: claiming as American citizens those born in other countries of American parents.

-pg. 660

I would highly recommend reading the entire opinion of the Vice Chancellor, as he makes mention of Rawle's interpretation which I noted earlier in addition to several other authorities I could have mentioned, including Justice Story. However, before I conclude my study of the piece, I'd like to quote a couple of parting shots at de Vattel’s ideas from the Vice Chancellor:

It was assumed to be an indisputable proposition, that by the international or public law, she was an alien; for that by the public law, the child follows the political condition of the parent. It is evident that this rule, without very important qualifications, might lead to the perpetuation of a race of aliens; for if no one of the successive fathers effected his naturalization during the minority of the next in succession, generation after generation would continue in a state of alienage. Accordingly, the difficulty is sought to be obviated, by giving to the child born of alien parents, the election, on arriving at maturity, to become a citizen, either of the state where he was born, or of the state of which his father was a member.

-pg. 673

[De Vattel says] in reference to the inquiry whether children born of citizens in a foreign country, are citizens, that the laws have decided the question in several countries, and it is necessary to follow their regulations.

-pg. 676

So, what we may gather from all of these sources I have quoted is that the phrase "natural born citizen" in Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution has historically been interpreted from the earliest days of the republic, by the Founding Fathers and early legal authorities, as meaning someone who is born in this country, regardless of the status of their parents. This is derived, as Lynch v. Clarke has shown, from English common law, which is the basis of our national Constitution, our national institutions, and the Constitutions and institutions of each state except for Louisiana, which derives its basis from French law, particularly the Napoleonic Code. Furthermore, de Vattel leaves the precise definition of what makes a citizen up to the individual nations, and in our case, it is how I have said above.

One of the major things that you can note about the people asserting that Obama (or Rubio, Jindal, etc.) is not a natural born citizen based on de Vattel’s definition is the curious absence of Lynch v. Clarke in their arguments. They also omit entirely any references to common law, which as Lynch v. Clarke has demonstrated (and it is not alone, but I will address other examples later) is vitally important to understanding the meaning of the clause. This is somewhat odd (though I do not remove the possibility that it is intentional on their part) since the case deals directly with the question of what makes a natural born citizen. Finally, as I noted before, these people tend to believe that there is a difference between "natural born" and "native born" citizens, but this distinction evidently did not exist in early American legal history. As the authorities I have quoted demonstrate, the two terms were, if anything, employed as synonyms for each other.

Additionally, something to note here is that the terms "natural born" and "native born" citizen (and similar terms) are used interchangeably in these works. The authors do not find any distinction at all between the two terms, something modern day Birthers tend to overlook. Also, in the contest between jus soli (law of the soil) and jus sanguinis (law of blood [relations]), the former has won out in the major legal treatises and court cases of the early republic.

Based upon the sources looked at here, we may conclude that Obama, Rubio, Haley, Cruz, and Jindal are all indeed "natural born citizens" by American legal understanding. However, this is but the beginning of our examination of the issue. It is important to know these sources, but they are not all that needs to be considered. A lot of time has passed since 1844, and the issue has come up several other times in American history since then. That is what I will be looking at in subsequent parts of this series. Particularly for my next post, the elephant in the room is the 14th Amendment. What effect, if any, did the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment have upon this clause's meaning? There are those today who assert that this amendment altered the meaning of citizenship, but did it really? Furthermore, there are other cases and authorities after those mentioned here that need to be dealt with. However, we will get around to these issues in the next post. I have droned on long enough here. Part II will be up as soon as I finish it, which will hopefully be soon.


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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Leaving aside the birth certificate issue, which is unique to Obama's case (and for the record, I do believe he was born in Hawaii), the main sticking point for the Birthers is that all four of the politicians have at least one parent who was not born in America (indeed, Obama is the only one who had a parent who was an American citizen at the time of his birth, his mother). They are fond of quoting the line from Book I, Chapter XIX of Emmerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

Ted Cruz's mother was a natural born American citizen.

21 posted on 01/12/2016 4:48:11 PM PST by CrosscutSaw
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To: CodeToad
Who gives a rats ass?? If they can have Obama, we can have Cruz!

I didn't see you pinheads say a peep about the loss of the Bill of Rights one by one, but you sure want to make this conspiracy theory claim against Cruz.

You have obviously never read the law, yet you think your claims to the Constitution hold water when you don't say squat about the loss of actual rights.

Phony patriotism, that's all this is.


Nicely Stated.

BTW: I stumbled on you handy collection of Federalist papers here on FR. Very nice I was just looking for a good place to find them online.

22 posted on 01/12/2016 4:52:10 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Absolutely correct, Good Show!


23 posted on 01/12/2016 5:08:14 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: CrosscutSaw

“Ted Cruz’s mother was a natural born American citizen.”

Yes, there is no doubt that she started out as a natural born U.S. citizen, and she probably remained a U.S. citizen. However, it cannot be taken for granted she remained solely a U.S. citizen. Her husband, Rafael Cruz was a Canadian Permanent Resident on the path to naturalizing as a Canadian citizen, and he did naturalize as a Canadian citizen. Customarily the wife must also be a Canadian Permanent Resident alongside her husband to convince the Canadian authorities that they are serious about wanting to satisfy the Canadian requirement to remain as Permanent Residents or permanent Canadian citizens. So, there is every reason to suspect Eleanor Cruz was a Canadian Permanent Resident when Ted Cruz was born and may even have been a Canadian citizen in the event the timeline we’ve been given is incorrect. We do know Canadian law required Rafael Cruz and/or Eleanor Cruz to be a Canadian citizen or a Canadian Permanent Resident before Ted Cruz could acquire the Canadian citizenship at birth we alreay know he did acquire. So, one or both of those parents were at the very least Canadian Permanent Residents in preparation to naturalize as Canadian citizens. For all we know Eleanor Cruz did naturalize as a Canadian citizen and kept her U.S. Passport without renouncing her U.S. citizenship.


24 posted on 01/12/2016 5:19:34 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: SubMareener

Thank you for one of the first reasonable review of the current law.

The only reason this thing is an issue now is because Trump mentioned it, and the media lurks over and savors everything he says, especially if it might be negative for another Republican.

If Trump ordered his Big Mac with no pickle, CNN would move it as a bulletin.


25 posted on 01/12/2016 5:50:23 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz
It is getting a little crazy. EXCLUSIVE: BOMBSHELL: EXPOSED: Donald Trump Played Soccer in High School
26 posted on 01/12/2016 6:05:44 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

No Idaho_Cowboy. This is a recounting of Hamilton’s opinion. It was not confirmed by the ratification committee. At the last minute, September of 1787, John Jay added the criterion of natural born citizenship. Hamilton only specified a that the president be a citizen. Jay’s amendment was accepted by the committee and has never been altered, neither by interpretation, nor by the amendment process. Congress has no authority to affect Article II or any other article through Congressional acts.

Hamilton himself, though not born on our soil, was eligible to be president by the “grandfather clause”. He was a citizen at the ratification, 14 years a resident, and 35 years of age. And Hamilton did sign the revision by John Jay, accepting the more restrictive constraint on presidential eligibility, consistent with the Federalist Paper’s primary concern with potential usurpation through foreign intrigue.

As I write I am sadly hearing Mark Levin destroy his credibility on this issue. He repeatedly conflates U.S. Citizenship with Natural Born Citizenship. It cannot be an accident. He insults people, clearly not wanting them to understand that being a U.S. Citizen does not make one a Natural Born Citizen. He announced that Larry Tribe, in Senate Resolution 511, “...has shown that there was no doubt that that Senator John McCain was a U.S. Citizen.”

Why is this subterfuge? The issue, and the title addressed by Larry Tribe and Ted Olson, was “Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.” In the law, and especially in our Constitution, every word must be assumed to have meaning. If Mark Levin has used the term natural born citizen I missed it - which is possible. There is no doubt that John McCain was a citizen. Birth to even one citizen parent made him a naturalized citizen. The issue in SR 511 was whether or not he is a natural born citizen. Tribe and Olson never questioned McCain’s citizenship. They tried to fix McCain’s unfortunate birth on a territory over which the U.S. had no sovereignty, until the year after McCain was born; born in 1936, Congressional treaty with Panama, 1937. They depended upon the entirely rescinded 1790 Naturalization Act, which had the only mention ever by Congress of natural born citizenship. Congress, Madison and Washington’s signature, replaced “natural born citizen” of “foreign born children of citizens considered natural born” with “foreign ... are “citizens”.

Mark Levin has sacrificed his integrity by using sophistry for reasons about which we can only guess. Many have similar question about what caused Justice Roberts to confirm Obama, who never claimed to be a natural born citizen. The fix was in. Mark’s value to influence has suffered a blow. He seems everywhere to bluster and call names, while conflating “citizen” with “natural born citizen” at every opportunity. What does he really know about our legal history? Has he been told what positions he must support?

Read U.S. Naturalization code. It has been modified almost one hundred times since the 14th Amendment provided a foundation for new citizens based upon Article 1 Section 8, “...an Uniform Rule for Naturalization.” It is fascinating, but not relevant to anyone’s presidential eligibility, contrary to Mark Levin’s and Ted Cruz’ implications. If it were, Congress could simply make new law, abrogating articles and amendments as it pleased. Our framers were remarkably coherent writers. If the things you read are not clear, assume that they may not be true.

I will now take a closer look at Levin’s crusade for the application of Article V. His frantic misdirection, replacing the term natural born citizen with “citizen” at every opportunity, has cost him my trust - not that he cares. This brings more relevance to the assertion, I believe by Sam Adams, that we have created a nation built upon laws and not men. The law, if is not hidden, edited, or ignored, is still accessible. Everyone needs to read the original sources.


27 posted on 01/12/2016 6:40:56 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

Another excellent post, good to see you


28 posted on 01/12/2016 6:57:30 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Spaulding; All

Can anyone explain why the general consensus was that George Romney was qualified to run for president in 1967? And if it wasn’t an obstacle for Romney then why should it be an issue for Cruz today?


29 posted on 01/12/2016 7:15:22 PM PST by CrosscutSaw
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To: Spaulding

Watching Levin and the others demolish their reputations like this makes you wonder why they would be a party to this deliberate obfuscation of the Constitutional law.


30 posted on 01/12/2016 7:19:33 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: CrosscutSaw

“Can anyone explain why the general consensus was that George Romney was qualified to run for president in 1967?”

Ignorance, partisanship, willful negligence, and apathy much like we see today combined with the willful efforts to gain power on the part of those involved, just like today. The chief difference between then and now is the greater access we have today to the original documents and laws and the far far greater ability to communicate the information to fellow citizens without censorship by the mainstream media controlled by the political masters. George Romney was far from being the first, and we’re still saddled with the consequences of the natural born citizen clause not being respected and enforced.


31 posted on 01/12/2016 7:32:31 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

It’s a shame Burr didn’t shoot that low life a lot sooner.


32 posted on 01/12/2016 7:40:05 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SubMareener
Donald Trump Played Soccer in High School

300 Vegans and the PETA crowd will protest tomorrow that two pigs had to die to make the soccer ball Trump played with.

33 posted on 01/12/2016 8:14:54 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: SubMareener

Well said!!!

I have been accused of being a pessimist. I define a pessimist as one who looks at a blessing and at best says it matters little, and at worst thinks it a curse.

I appreciate all my blessings, but as a realist when you have not only the liberals but many conservatives so desirous of trampling the Constitution, my conclusion can only be we are in much greater danger from just the damages wrought by the current usurper.

Cruz cannot win, he is ineligible and thus damaged. It will not pass unopposed.

Respectfully, ...


34 posted on 01/12/2016 9:36:18 PM PST by Badboo (Why it is important)
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To: Spaulding
You are proposing 3 classes of citizenship. There is a reason the cases that pertain to the issue focus on the vital question: Was the person in question a citizen at birth?

There are two types of citizenship:

1. Citizenship from birth (natural born)

2. Citizenship through naturalization

Which one is Ted Cruz? The law doesn't, and to my knowledge hasn't acknowledged, a third class of citizen (born a citizen, but not born a natural citizen.) That's clear he was born a US citizen; I don't see how it could get any more 'natural' than that.

https://my.uscis.gov/helpcenter/article/what-types-of-citizenship-are-there

Furthermore, Ted Cruz didn't need to apply for naturalization, because he was a citizen at birth. https://my.uscis.gov/helpcenter/article/what-is-naturalization

As pointed out by the Cato Institute: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3060736/posts

"No, actually, and it's not even that complicated; you just have to look up the right law. It boils down to whether Cruz is a "natural born citizen" of the United States, the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency. (The Founding Fathers didn't want their newly independent nation to be taken over by foreigners on the sly.)

What's a "natural born citizen"? The Constitution doesn't say, but the Framers' understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents — in a manner regulated by federal law — and birth within the nation's territory regardless of parental citizenship. The Supreme Court has confirmed that definition on multiple occasions in various contexts.

There's no ideological debate here: Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe [Who has changed his stance now that is is politically convenient to stir the pot, I might add] and former solicitor general Ted Olson - who were on opposite sides in Bush v. Gore among other cases - co-authored a memorandum in March 2008 detailing the above legal explanation in the context of John McCain's eligibility. Recall that McCain - lately one of Cruz's chief antagonists - was born to U.S. citizen parents serving on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone.

In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth - as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later ("naturalizes") or who isn't a citizen at all - can be president.

So the one remaining question is whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. That's an easy one. The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth." In addition to those who are born in the United States or born outside the country to parents who were both citizens — or, interestingly, found in the United States without parents and no proof of birth elsewhere - citizenship goes to babies born to one American parent who has spent a certain number of years here.

The law has been fairly consistent on the matter and as is understood today is very clear. It is sad to see conservatives suckered into trying to grasp the 'nuances of the situation' by people who believe the Constitution is a living document and would use it as toilet paper given the chance. And now they are the experts!?

Jim Robinson said it much more eloquently than I can so I'll quote him here. "...I have infinitely more confidence in Mark Levin and the CATO Institute than I do in legions of internet sea lawyers and bloggers." and I personally add Democrat 'constitutional' experts to that list. As in so many other cases (1st amendment, 2nd amendment, commerce clause, illegal search and seizure etc.) the liberals in this country have twisted, stretched, spit on, and drilled holes in the constitution's words and intention to deny American Citizen (of all kinds) their God given Liberty.

Now that it is politically expedient for them, they now want to bend and twist and try and drag their preferred meaning from what the founders might have meant, thought, and had for breakfast in 1795. After shoving Barrack Hussein Obummer down our throats like an apple in a roasted pig's snout: I DON'T THINK SO.

35 posted on 01/13/2016 8:47:04 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: SubMareener

Had Cruz been born in 1921 under the identical birth circumstances that he was born into in 1970, than he would not even have been a US citizen. The Cable Act, passed in 1922, allowed a US citizen woman, married to a foreign national and who gives birth in a foreign country, to transmit US citizenship onto the newborn child for the first time.


Welcome to the 20th Century. If I’d been born on Mar’s I’d be a Martian.


36 posted on 01/13/2016 8:50:01 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Ted says he is a Conservative who supports the Original Intent of the Constitution. Only by treating the Constitution as a “living document” is he eligible to run for President. Do you see the problem here?


37 posted on 01/13/2016 9:08:19 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
Ted says he is a Conservative who supports the Original Intent of the Constitution. Only by treating the Constitution as a “living document” is he eligible to run for President. Do you see the problem here?

Nope, getting on our holy high horses and fighting left handed will not cause the liberals to respect the law.
38 posted on 01/13/2016 11:31:28 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

OK so Original Intent is something we can discard if it goes against what we want. How is that respecting the law?


39 posted on 01/13/2016 11:38:34 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

You are proposing 3 classes of citizenship.

No Idaho_Cowboy, I’m not. Since you have covered most of the talking points used to confuse those who haven’t time or inclination to read more deeply, I’ll address your tactics.

There are two classes of citizenship, distinguished by the Constitutional provisions justifying their creation. Natural born citizen is the only class of citizenship defined by the Constitution, and has not changed two hundred twenty six years. Naturalization is the province of Congress, provide by Article 1 Section 8, “Shall...create an Uniform Rule for Naturalization.” Congress cannot, either directly or by implication affect Constitutional interpretation. Citizenship at birth is not natural born citizenship, and was created by U.S. Code: “8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth.”

Ted Cruz was naturalized at birth, like every anchor baby, like child of Islamic terrorists, born on our soil, like the child of Mexican illegal immigrants, Sudanese illegal immigrants. The definitions of those deemed “citizens at birth” have changed at least fifty times, hardly a recipe for confidence in someone who would a a commander-in-chief for what may still be the most potent military force in the world. Cruz, much as I like many of the position he takes, has exposed great doubts about his eligibility for any government office by willfully misinterpreting the Constitution, a violation of his oath as an officer of the Court.

The discussions around what Larry Tribe and Ted Olson said are surprising considering Larry’s objective, Larry on Obama’s campaign committee, and the objective of SR 511 a political statement of why John McCain, whose eligibility was taken apart by Democrats after the 2000 presidential campaign, were making talking points to silence challenges to Obama’s eligibility. Obama was a co-sponsor of Senate Bill 2678, Foreign Born Children of Military Citizens Natural Born Citizen Act, February 2008, which FAILED to pass. So Obama’s co-sponsor, Clair McCaskill, along with Pat Leahy, cooked up SR 511, the Senator John McCain is a Natural Born Citizen Resolution.

The legal obfuscation used by Tribe, also used by Mark Levin, is to cite, as you did, the 1st Congress’ Naturalization Act, which argued that overseas born children of two parent citizens should be “considered” natural born citizens. Larry is more careful than to suggest that act suggests that the Supreme Court really meant to make someone with McCain’s problem eligible to the presidency. The problem, not mentioned in Larry and Ted’s letter to the Senate Committee is that the 1790 Naturalization act (note the word “Naturalization”) was entirely revoked by Madison and Washington, and replace with the word “Citizen”. The phrase “Natural Born Citizen” has never again appeared in any congressional act.

If you aren’t reading from talking points distributed to Internet activists, and read the minutes of the Senate Record, you’ll recall Judge Michael Chertoff saying: “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.”

You are suggesting that a 1940 Nationality Act can amend the Constitution?

I have great respect for this forum provided by Mr. Robinson, respectful of what is perhaps our most important Amendment, the 1st. I too have, until recently, found the Cruz positions closest to my own. But to dissemble about the Constitution, the clear discussion in the first five submissions to the Federalist Papers of the risk of usurpation by foreign powers, is very disappointing.

Mark Levin, all of whose books I have purchased and read, is daily calling people names, conflating citizens with natural born citizens. Who can know what motivates him? We don’t know why Justice Roberts re-wrote the Obamacare defense statement. Who can know why Roberts didn’t ask Obama, who told us he was “A native-born citizen of the U.S.”, but did not claim natural born citizenship, if he was a natural born citizen. American Indians were native-born, but not citizens. Obama was made a citizen by the 14th Amendment; his mother was a citizen so he is. A few decades earlier and Obama would have been born an alien. By definition Obama, Cruz, Jindal, and Nikki Haley are all citizens at birth by the 14th Amendment.

Time will tell, but Haley is now being touted as a VP. If Cruz, or Rubio are paired with Haley, one word from anyone in Congress (others may have standing, but I’m not an attorney), by Amendment XX Congress will get to choose the next president. Congress may be controlled by Republicans, but not conservative Republicans. This could be a power play by the real power brokers in the background. We wanted the ideas touted by Cruz. It cannot be a coincidence that after Trump, our most popular nominees are all naturalized citizens. Obama was admitted because McCain had problems which no one, after Nathan Deal was silenced by the IRS and resigned, becoming Georgia’s governor, to avoid certain bankruptcy, would address. Obama’s patent ineligibility has provided an opportunity for those not in the public eye to put people they control into positions of power, the power to direct trillions of dollars of investment capital, and perhaps, to strengthen some global political interests.


40 posted on 01/13/2016 2:36:00 PM PST by Spaulding
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