Ted Cruz Campaign Releases Mother's Birth Certificate to Satisfy Unsatisfiable Crazy People

Slate ^ | January 8, 2016 | Jim Newell

[John Valentine]

...as your scenario has nothing to do with those impacted by the citizenship rules under scrutiny.

What you have consistently failed to comprehend is that your scenario is equally absent any relevance to the "citizenship rules under scrutiny".

[John Valentine]

It's not hypocritical because Cruz's citizenship has so many more question marks.

Really.

There are literally NO "question marks" regarding Cruz's citizenship. It is an open book, and any question marks are the absurd ones you keep raising.

And why don't you have any concern for your favorite, Trump, who as far as I know has not to date renounced the British nationality he inherited from his mother?

[GeaugaRepublican]

Obama was given a complete pass prior to his being elected.
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The only litigant who had standing to challenge Obama was Hillary in the Dem primary and McCain in the general election. I don’t think that either one wanted to be the one to challenge the United States first black president’s eligibility. The optics on challenging Ted Cruz would not be toxic. This is Hillary’s last chance. Would she do it?

[Yosemitest]

"Cruz has a worse "birther" problem than Obama has.
No one has said
Obama being born outside the US wouldn't have been a disqualified.
Instead, what they proved (I know, define "proof") is that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. "

You've LOST YOUR MIND !

It's there for anyone who wants to take the time to find it.

One other thing.
Obama is NOT black !
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF is ARAB-KENYAN.

"Genealogical evidence has revealed that the impostering "first black president" Barak Hussein Obama is 6.5% Negro and 48% Arabic, the remainder 45% Caucasian."

The Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), ( the one guilty of TREASON ! ) has NO legitimate Social Security Number.
His father was NOT an immigrant to the United States.
Barack Obama Sr. was a "Transient Alien" because he did NOT intend on residing in the United States permanently.
Barack Obama Sr. was a dual citizen of Great Britain and Kenya, and NEVER a United States Citizen.

Read British National Archives Show Son Born To Obama Sr. In 1961 In Kenya!

His mother could NOT impart U.S. citizen to her son, Barack Obama II,
because she did NOT meet the legal requirements to do so, at the time her son was born IN the Coast Provincial General Hospital, MOMBASA, KENYA at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961.

Democrats knew this and tried to eliminate the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement at least 8 times BEFORE Obama won his election in 2008.

Obama is NOT a United States Citizen, and is NOT a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
He has no VISA allowing him into this country.
Barack Hussein Obama II IS ILLEGAL !
He should be IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY, tried for TREASON, SENTENCED to death, and then have his body deported back to Kenya.

[grania]

It all goes back to my initial point. Establishment 'pubs did not pursue the issue. Besides that, enough was never made of the fact that Obama is not black (there are some who speculate that Obama has a smaller percentage of black blood than some other presidents). He is not the descendent of American slaves. Yet, the narrative was never challenged.

Will the Dems be so reticent about Cruz's status, if the issue isn't settled first? Of course not.

[itsahoot]

Even though it is understood by experts to mean "U.S. citizen at birth," as Cruz was, some opportunistic critics, such as Trump, have been warning about the phrase's not-totally-determined meaning and how that could open the door to distracting legal cases if Cruz becomes the nominee.

It is easy to win arguments if you just change the premise of your contention. The point has never been Cruz's citizenship, it has been about NBC. I listened to Levin go ballistic on this issue plainly ignoring facts and declaring that citizen = NBC it was embarrassing.

[itsahoot]

I don't think they are that big of fools.

Sure you do.

[itsahoot]

Here’s an excellent discussion of what a ‘natural born citizen’ is by a FR member:

You have to understand NBC definition must be adjusted to fit the candidate we want. If you don't do that then we don't care because Obama got away with it then so can we. Understand?

[TigerClaws]

I think the MSM is running cover for Obama using Cruz.

They know a President Trump would make public the real info on Obama’s birth. They want to say, “Well he was born in Africa. So what?! Remember Cruz? It doesn’t matter. His mother was a citizen.”

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow. So now we don’t require a POTUS have a US birth certificate. Amazing.

Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.

[itsahoot]

Does that not make Trump himself a dual citizen?

In a word. No.

The father determines the citizenship in Europe. England liked to proclaim that people born of English blood were Subjects of the Crown. in the thirties women in England couldn’t pass anything but gas.

What if Venezuela passed a law declaring that everyone born in North America would be considered as Venezuelan citizens, subject to laws of Venezuela. Would they actually be citizens of Venezuela?

[itsahoot]

Renunciations made to other authorities (such as the general renunciation made as part of the US naturalization ceremony) are not recognized by the UK.

Would this be similar to Old Scottish Law?

[itsahoot]

The answer is: What is an unnatural born citizen?
One who has been naturalized.

Cleaver, and having served on a couple juries you likely could sell it to either of them but it is a nonsensical argument. Two things that are not equal to the same thing are not equal to each other.

[Ready4Freddy]

“and, thereby, became a naturalized citizen of the United States”

That’s where you went off track; Cruz was a US citizen at birth by virtue of his mother’s US citizenship.

[Ready4Freddy]

“So now we don’t require a POTUS have a US birth certificate”

The State Dept, via an embassy or consulate, issues a ‘Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America’, aka CRBA, in the case of, well... US citizens born abroad.

[jonrick46]

They will question whether citizenship is the same as natural born citizen. I think there is a difference when it comes to the eligibility matter. You legal word smiths can take that matter up and help me understand it all.

[John Valentine]

The father determines the citizenship in Europe. England liked to proclaim that people born of English blood were Subjects of the Crown. In the thirties women in England couldn't pass anything but gas.

If you had been reading my posts you would know that I stated very clearly that before 2009, the situation was a bit murky. But, in 2009 the Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Act came into effect providing that a person born outside the UK to a British mother may be entitled to register as a British citizen by descent if that person was born before 1 January 1983. That law clarified that a person born in 1946, able to claim British nationality by descent (both apply to Donald Trump) is entitled to British nationality.

What if Venezuela passed a law declaring that everyone born in North America would be considered as Venezuelan citizens, subject to laws of Venezuela. Would they actually be citizens of Venezuela?

Yes. It is up to Venezuela to determine their own criteria for citizenship. Of course, such laws could not be enforced in the United States.

[RC one]

He may have been a citizen but he certainly wasn't a natural born citizen. If anything, he is a citizen of the United States and a Natural Born Citizen of Canada by virtue of his father's nationality and geographic location. When the NBC clause was adopted, it was widely understood that a child born on foreign soil to a foreign father would "follow the condition of the father"; in other words, inherit the father's nationality.

This is made clear in Vattel's Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX:

The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to [218] all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

And

It is asked, whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed. By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot of itself furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say of itself, for civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

[Godebert]

Good post! We must continue to vigorously defend the Constitution against these attempts to subvert the Rule of Law.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I’ve only seen a Canadian BC for Cruz. Is there another one out there?