Posted on 01/08/2016 6:00:09 PM PST by FR_addict
Where in the actual laws of our country does it mention "plain citizen"?
Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, or Natural born citizen. A child born of ONE citizen parent and a foreigner is a citizen. A child born of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen. Naturalized explains itself.
All the US Supreme Court cases using the term NBC are found here:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
“Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, or Natural born citizen.”
Hmmm...three categories, based on a Constitution that only mentions two. Fascinating.
At the time of the constitution, that was correct because we were a patriarch society. Remember women did not vote.
You are absolutely correct.
Great. Show the legislation that backs up this newest claim of yours.
Wondering which post of yours admitted that the US Constitution does not actually mention parent or parents.
Scroll down to the bottom of this post.
H/T georgiafl
Timeline for 14th Amendment:
1862 John Bingham declares a Natural Born Citizen as one who is born on the soil of parents not owing allegiance to any other sovereignty
1866 John Bingham again declares an NBC as one who is born on the soil of parents not owing allegiance to any other sovereignty
1868 John Binghams baby, the 14th Amendment is adopted into the US Constitution
1872 John Bingham, four years after the adoption of his 14th Amendment, STILL declares an NBC as one born on the soil of parents not owing allegiance to any other sovereignty
1875 Minor v. Happersett declares a natural born citizen as one who is born on the soil to citizen parents
1898 Wong Kim Ark uses the 14th Amendment to declare that WKA is a citizen from birth, but not a ‘natural born citizen’ as is clearly expressed in the decision by delineating between children born on the soil of a citizen and those born of an alien.
1968 Justice Hugo Black states in Duncan v. Louisiana that John Bingham is the best authority concerning the intent of the 14th Amendment
Ted Cruz Is Not Constitutionally Qualified To Be President; So Says the Supreme Court
<I>Supreme Court Cases that Cite ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as One Born on U.S. Soil to Citizen Parents
Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Shanks v DuPont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Dred Scott v Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)
Minor v Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)</I>
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You have explained nothing, you just have declared it. This is personal to me, and I’m sure to thousands of others who have had children born overseas. They were born there because I was serving my country in harm’s way protecting your sorry ass or your parents from being incinerated by the Soviets. My children are Natural Born American Citizens because they were born to a American Citizen Abroad. So is Ted Cruz because his mother was a American Citizen
Molly, unless there is a definitive Ruling citing a Law defining the term “Natural Born Citizen”, it doesn’t matter.
If there is a Law that reflects your belief, so be it. So far, you have not produced that Law.
You cited the Constitution as your source, yet that simply isn’t the case. As they say, it just isn’t in there.
Now, I am not trying be contrary and I certainly don’t want to make you angry. I am just stating the facts as I see them and they do not agree with your interpretation.
To be clear, I always thought that the NBC requirement was just as you think it is. I now know it isn’t quite that clear since any source outside the language in the Constitution or current Federal Law would not be held up in a Court of Law.
I will agree that at this point I don’t give a damn either.
The resolution to this issue is way above my Pay Grade.
Happy New Year. It’s going to be a doozy.
Also Publius-Huldah’s blog post here
The Constitution, Vattel, and ‘Natural Born Citizen: What Our Framers Knew
So, if a "U.S. Citizen" father of a child should happen to die before said child is actually born, would that set of circumstances deprive said child of his "Natural Born Citizen" status? Does Vattel have anything to say about that?
Or if the citizen father should happen to have renounced his U.S. citizenship in the period of time between the conception and the birth of the child, what then?
I'm not myself fluent in French, so I'm relying on you to work through these intricacies.
Well I happen to live in one the states that is crucial to Trump winning the Presidency, this BS being spewed by Trump supporters may affect my vote if he’s the nominee
PING!
More NBC talk - and this pertains to TRUMP NBC as well, though not in the same dark, questionable web of lies and deceit
People are at last talking -
In 1800 it probably wouldn't matter what the original citizenship of the mother was, since she would be considered chattel property; she and the children would 'belong' to the father and so reflect his citizenship. But in the modern age, as long as the citizen parents resided in the USA for a 10 year period of time, basically from age 9 to 19 (five years after age 14-the law at the time of Cruz's birth) there should be no reason their foreign-raised child couldn't grow up and run for president (think military brats that spent their entire childhoods outside of the USA). Whether they could connect with the public enough to be elected by them is another story.
What curdles the soup is when only one parent is a citizen and the other parent chooses to become or remains a citizen of a different country (current Potus, Chinese baby-cation babies, Middleastern reverse-anchor babydaddies, etc.) Is the mother's citizenship primary or is the father's citizenship primary in determining 'natural born'? The Dem Party has set a precident with the current POTUS that the mother's citizenship is the only consideration. Do we reinforce that precident by electing Cruz? Was that the intent of the Founding Fathers? Would it solve the problem to have a 3 or 4 generation citizenry of both parents requirement?
I already think Trump is a blowhard, his supporters like you just reinforce my opinion. If you think my vote in Virginia doesn’t matter than your living in alternate reality, Clinton will not be a pushover and Trump would need all the votes he can get to win. Fool best describes you if that’s what you believe. Trump has not demonstrated to me that he has any conservative core values, and could be just as bad as Hillary, when it comes to social issues and Judges he will select for the SC.
Records are not always 100% correct, if I may point that out. I recently saw a U.S. census record which listed my mom at her parents’ address when she was a youngster. They got both my mom’s middle name and her age at the time completely wrong.
If you’ll note, the article points out that Cruz’s mom had not been in the country long enough to be a Canadian citizen when Ted was born. My guess is that the voter rolls were wrong.
Assuming she wasn't a moron, unlike certain present company, why would she do that?
Her husband had upgraded from Cuban citizenship to Canadian. But why would she downgrade from American to Canadian??
Frankly, I believe neither Cruz nor Rubio are eligible under the constitution. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 clearly states that a NBC is born of two American parents on American soil.
It states nothing of the sort.
You are 100% correct. As much as I like Cruz as a conservative and he is my second pick. He is a citizen but not a NBC which is constitutionally required to be president. Just because Obama got a pass doesn’t mean anything. The liberal media will crucify him in the general election on this and it good it came out in the primaries.
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