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To: Democratic-Republican
"I assume Cathy is talking about Trump again, worried now that we'll get a right-wing totalitarian hitler nazi mussolini strongman < insert more insults here > which are the left-wingers talking points. She should know this by now."

Your assumptions about Cathy are all wet. She is disgusted to see so many so-called conservatives openly call for a dictator, but at the same time she realizes that supporting a progressive (Trump) inevitably necessitates a leftward slide.

If you're looking for leftwingers, you've found them in the ones who want to trash the Constitution and install a tyrant. Me? I support the Constitutional conservative in the race.

Leftwinger' talking points...too bad Trump fans made the author's point by saying, yeah, come to think of it, a dictator IS just what we want.

"You really don't have to worry about this Catherine. The (D)ummycrats and the (R)epublicrats would quickly rediscover the Constitution and impeachment power and independent counsels, special prosecutors, joint select committees and everything else once a non-member of the uniparty gets the White House. You can take that to the bank."

Whatever. Support progressive Trump if you want; he'll never be the nominee, and I wouldn't back him under any circumstances.

I'll stick with conservatism.

252 posted on 01/05/2016 1:46:11 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Whatever. Support progressive Trump if you want; he'll never be the nominee, and I wouldn't back him under any circumstances.

I'll stick with conservatism.

As I've said to you before, I'm not supporting Trump or anyone. This is still the process of elimination phase. I'm in NY where the primary is almost always settled by the time it gets here. I have/had immediately ruled out the (R)INOs Bush, Rubio, Kasich, Graham, Pataki, Gilmore, FioRino, Christie. I crossed off Perry, Jindal, Walker and Paul right after the Trump announcement when they blindly lept into the stay out of our party, you ain't no conservative chorus. ( Don't underestimate that incident with Trump and Mexicans, and Trump with McCain, as they generated a huge amount of anti-GOP sentiment when they tried to remove Trump from even running ).

That leaves just Trump, Cruz, Santorum, Huckabee, and Carson. If God made it so, any of those five would be fine in that office, in theory, but reality is more complicated. The candidate must be able to win the election. So if it was up to me, today, the only one I can see with a shot at threading the needle to 270 is Trump. That is logic only, not emotionalism, not philosophy, not what I wish. If you call it support, that's your prerogative.

However, unlike you, I am not ruling him out, not by a longshot given the circumstances. His enemies have identified him as an excellent candidate indeed, and the fits thrown by the GOPe only highlight this. Why you have the same spit and venom that they do is what is curious.

I've also addressed this alleged leftist/liberal label you attach to him. In our state here with such well defined (D) and (R) crime syndicates I am wondering just how someone like Trump could have conducted himself to your satisfaction. He was never part of the Carey-Cuomo-Koch or Rockefeller-Lindsay-Pataki cabals. He alternated when it suited him. It really wouldn't have mattered if those (R)INOs were someone else, because Trump would have befriended them as easily. He adapted to the reality, here, where he lives. If you believe there is a way to insulate yourself from others and still maintain a huge business then give an example. I mean, you have similarly big non-Lib business people like the Kochs, Wynn, Adelson, and a few more, and they inevitably wind up funding the GOPe wing of the uniparty. How is that any better?

Apparently you want someone who has no history of adapting to their local environment and is a philosophical purist. I've been there too. Alan Keyes was the guy I have supported the most since Reagan, and he dwarfs Reagan and Cruz and pretty much everyone else for both evangelical purity and Constitutional knowledge as both the bible and the Federalist papers ooze from his pores. No-one was more ant-abortion, pro-America, a better friend to Israel and Jews, and a bigger enemy of the left. Problem was, he would never get past our electorate and I accept this belatedly. He also would have been a lame-duck had he somehow been elected since he has no way to beat them at their own game - at the negotiating table.

I do like Cruz very much, and unlike you and others around here, I know the one job where he can actually do some good for America, for the entirety of his life. And that job is not the one he is running for, in fact he will never get on the Court within a reasonable timeframe if he were somehow elected President. It would require some future Conservative (R) President to appoint him, because we know know uniparty President ever would. Probability zero. It has taken a long time for me to understand now, that like a toolbox, there are the right tools for certain jobs, they are not all interchangeable. I would no sooner wish for Trump to be on the Supreme Court than I would wish for Scalia or Thomas or Keyes ( or Cruz ) to be President.

So you're presumably left today as a evangelical-Constitutional purist ( a very good thing! ) as I was as recently as 2000. I even used the same arguments. They kept Keyes out of the debates around the Iowa and New Hampshire timeframe and I was apoplectic because I know he decimate that little wussie Bush43 on every level. People told me he was too religious, can't get along, too abrasive, too outspoken, etc. Even though those were maybe bigoted or offensive statements, there was some truth with respect to the general electorate, unfortunately.

Cruz though, has additional baggage, a very big problem. And it is unfair for him as he had no choice in the matter, and also for us, because we do. Unlike Keyes, and Hillary, he was born in Canada and despite what Mark Levin was saying on the radio today, ironically almost the identical thing that O'Reilly said about Hussein 8 years ago ( "I looked into it, he's fine" ), it is NOT fine for a lot of voters. The Supreme Court has left this decision to the people themselves, and many of those people after seeing millions spent on ads against him will not be persuaded. It will not take much in swing states like PA, OH, MI, IN, WI, VA, FL to keep them "blue" when they must go "red" to defeat the (D)ummycrat 250 electoral vote headstart.

So the quandry now is situational awareness. This could be the last reasonably fair election America ever sees ( defining fair as when the enemy does NOT have a 270 electoral vote advantage, just 250 or so, real fair! ). One more round of amnesty and naturalization, the latter of which is already ongoing, and that end of America is assured. Now these are the stakes, they are extremely high. Given these stakes how much do you want to gamble on throwing the dice that a conservative purist, dragging a heavy anchor can get past the electorate that's full of people like unlike you and me? Especially when we have no real evidence that a conservative purist can ever win at this level. That's some bet. If you're that confident then you should be in the casino business.

P.S. if the past is a guide, you will once again breeze right past all this typing and call it Trumpism or something like that once again. Oh well.

262 posted on 01/05/2016 7:32:03 PM PST by Democratic-Republican
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