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To: Lazamataz

While I can’t find fault with most of your thoughts, I feel I should point out (IMO) Waco & Ruby Ridge were well beyond egregious. And neither was properly addressed politically or legally.

Waco should have been and was not a turning point in the march towards a police state. It’s now far enough back that most of the current population simply don’t care. It’s not real.

I truly believe that by the time sufficient numbers realize the boot is on their collective necks, it will be far too late to stop. Live as slaves or die as free men.


56 posted on 01/03/2016 10:24:24 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

What happened at Waco still troubles me greatly. I have all three of the Rules of Engagement videos and there is no way what happened there can be justified.


76 posted on 01/03/2016 10:39:26 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Waco & Ruby Ridge were well beyond egregious. And neither was properly addressed politically or legally.

The Oklahoma City Bombing took the wind out of any official investigation into Waco. Officially explained as having happened in retaliation for Waco, blamed on gunowners and militia groups, the bombing not only dampened zeal for taking the agencies responsible for Waco to task, it also was spun in the media to vilify Constitutionalists, militia members, gun owners, and people who were concerned in general with government excess as dangerous potential terrorists in the public mind. The backlash against gunowners (even thought the weapon involved was not a firearm) was significant enough that the Assault Weapons Ban repeal effort stalled in its tracks.

The media used this, even then the Ministry of Propaganda, to put a serious damper on opposition to government--something which gave the Clintons considerably more freedom to conduct bid'ness as usual.

Ruby Ridge did have some repercussions, largely due to Gerry Spence taking the case for Randy Weaver pro bono, and not only defeating charges, but winning large settlements for the survivors of the incident.

However, in neither case were government agents taken to task, either in court or in official actions within their respective agencies.

195 posted on 01/03/2016 12:34:54 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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