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To: Aleya2Fairlie
"When were Presbyterians declared unchristian? Enlighten me."

LGBT Issues: Presybyterian Church USA

"On Inclusion

As recently as 2010, the General Assembly agreed that the Presbyterian Church (USA), “has no consensus in the interpretation of Scripture on issues of same-sex practice.” However, the church has also adopted policies that allow for the ordination of LGBT ministers and the celebration of same-sex marriages. Experiences may differ greatly across individual communities but many congregations are entirely welcoming and inclusive. Groups such as More Light Presbyterians are committed to “work for the full participation of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) people in the life, ministry and witness of the Presbyterian Church (USA) and in society.” Similarly, the Covenant Network of Presbyterians is a coalition of clergy and laity who hope to “strengthen the church of Jesus Christ, with the help of God's grace,” and are, “called to achieve this goal by furthering the inclusion of LGBTQ persons, and by working for the unity of the PC(USA).”

In 1996, Erin Swenson became the first transgender minister to serve in the Presbyterian Church (USA) when members voted to continue her ministry following her transition from male to female. While the church has no official policy regarding transgender inclusion, organizations such as More Light Presbyterians are specific in advocating for transgender congregants.

On Marriage Equality

In 2014, the General Assembly passed a measure that permits ministers and sessions (local church government), “to use their own discernment to conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies where allowed by law.” In addition, the General Assembly recommended an amendment to update the description of marriage in the denomination’s Book of Order so that it would no longer exclude same-sex couples. Effective June 2015, the amendment to the Book of Order updates the description of marriage as “a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman.” The latter was added during debate of the amendment on the floor of the General Assembly out of respect to the denomination’s more conservative members."

82 posted on 01/01/2016 8:42:21 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: CatherineofAragon

Okay, CatherineofArogon! So you and Ted Cruz think the declaration of the Presbyterian Church on LGBT issues renders them officially UnChristian? Then what is your opinion of the many other denominations that have adopted the same policy? Does that make them all non Christians too? Just what, in yours and your candidate’s estimation, does it take to be a “real” Christian? Please provide your criteria since you seem to think you can identify those who are not.

I would also like for you to provide your candidate’s stance on LGBT issues. I’m sure you can. Donald Trump has provided his even though it’s unpopular with many, myself included. He wasn’t afraid to lay it out.

If Ted Cruz thinks it’s a good campaign strategy to depict those who oppose his nomination as “unChristian” and any disagreement with him as “attacks” then so be it. I don’t see the wisdom in it. Not only will it enrage Liberals; as you’re so proud of saying, but it will also alienate and anger many Christians as well.


128 posted on 01/01/2016 1:18:08 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie (.)
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