Posted on 12/22/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by don-o
The criminal-justice system in Waco, Texas, continues to boggle the mind. Last month, a grand jury in McClellan County held a marathon session to consider whether District Attorney Abel Reyna had presented enough evidence to justify indictments in the shootout at a May gathering of bikers where nine people were killed. In the wake of those killings, 177 bikers were arrested. Many proclaimed their innocence, and local authorities faced criticism for jailing so many individuals using fill-in-the-blank paperwork that didn't differentiate among the jailed.
Still, the November grand jury session returned 106 indictments at the end of one day, some against unknown figures who hadn't previously been arrested. And the citizen jurors would reconvene at a later date to consider the fate of 80 additional bikers. This, despite the fact that leaked surveillance footage certainly seems to depict many bikers who look surprised that bullets are flying and unprepared for a gunfight, not as if they were conspiring to murder a bunch of their rivals:
(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...
“What exactly would the cops do that was a violation of (somebody’s) first amendment right?”
Preventing people from assembling.... clear violation of the first amendment. That is what people seem to be retroactively demanding that the cops should have done.
“I’ve suggested the cops arrest a few of the ringleaders either on open warrants or some pretense.”
Which probably wouldn’t have stopped the rest of them from showing up, so people would still be complaining and trying to find a way to pin this criminal-initiated violence on the cops.
How did they “screw up”?
What exactly do you expect police to do BEFORE a crime has been committed?
All you conspiracy nuts think they are fascists for stopping a crime AFTER it was already happening, so do you really expect us to believe you would be happier if the police acted preemptively???
That’s a bad link, but I found the story you’re quoting. Funny, it also includes this information that you left out:
“The franchiseeâs statement, issued late in the day, also conflicts with a statement made by Twin Peaks corporate made earlier, that the on site operator was told of law enforcementâs concerns and gave âassurancesâ that appropriate security measures had been taken.”
So it seems Waco PD and Twin Peaks corporate are telling the same story, while the franchisee (who would be most directly liable in a lawsuit) is the one telling a story nobody else agrees with.
I do not know if the ATF was there but their weapon of choice for snipping is a 308.
Not only is that a pejorative statement, but it presumes the presence of 200+ gangsters. It also implies that everyone present was shooting, when "involvement" might only be sitting on the throne in the bathroom of the premises.
Because of your pejorative characterization of those present, your statement is only an opinion, not fact.
You appear to have deep seated anger issues with bikers. Were you rejected by bikers in the past? Your postings here tend to indicate that you are the type of person no one would want to ride with. Even the lowest scooter tramps have standards.
should read as “sniping”
Thanks for playing!
Most likely corporate was simply reciting Swanton’s talking points that dominated the first few days’ news reports.
You cannot rule out or definitively state a specific caliber based on the wound.
Yep. They were.
So, Stroman's cover story is that he's upset the proprietor wouldn't facilitate prevention of assembly?
Your theory is poppycock. The government wouldn't have been preventing assembly, per se, it would have been closing one venue, at most; and by enlisting the proprietor, there is no violation, period. There wouldn't be "government action."
See, for example, Mall of America seeking a TRO against Black Lives Matter.
Your original contention was, "The police tried to stop it but the business owners would not cooperate."
I think there is an open question of whether AFT was there before the violence, or came afterwards.
“Wound diameter does not determine the ballistics, because many factors can affect wound diameter.
You cannot rule out or definitively state a specific caliber based on the wound. “
Read the autopsies. ‘Calibers’ were NOT determined based on the wound. They were determined from the recovered bullets!
But you knew this because I had posted that to you before. So I can only assume you are on a disinformation campaign.
“Because of your pejorative characterization of those present, your statement is only an opinion, not fact.”
Based not on opinion but on the number of arrests and indictments.
“I think there is an open question of whether AFT was there before the violence, or came afterwards.”
What would the American Federation of Teachers be doing at a breastaurant on a Sunday morning?
” That doesn’t document how many shots were fired, nor who fired the shots.”
It documents who probably killed the gangsters.
Arrests and indictments are not convictions. Your prejudices are showing, Crawford.
Yes, ATF was there. WPD said they were and photos prove they were.
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