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Waco Blunders Through Its 'Biker Shootout' Investigation
The Atlantic ^ | December 22, 2015 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 12/22/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by don-o

The criminal-justice system in Waco, Texas, continues to boggle the mind. Last month, a grand jury in McClellan County held a marathon session to consider whether District Attorney Abel Reyna had presented enough evidence to justify indictments in the shootout at a May gathering of bikers where nine people were killed. In the wake of those killings, 177 bikers were arrested. Many proclaimed their innocence, and local authorities faced criticism for jailing so many individuals using fill-in-the-blank paperwork that didn't differentiate among the jailed.

Still, the November grand jury session returned 106 indictments at the end of one day, some against unknown figures who hadn't previously been arrested. And the citizen jurors would reconvene at a later date to consider the fate of 80 additional bikers. This, despite the fact that leaked surveillance footage certainly seems to depict many bikers who look surprised that bullets are flying and unprepared for a gunfight, not as if they were conspiring to murder a bunch of their rivals:

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; ibtg; inbeforetexasgator; nifong2; texas; waco
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1 posted on 12/22/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

Do we really want to be asking our governments to “run a railroad” this way?

This looks like the result, in part, of demoralization. You forget that each person’s situation means something separate to God, and instead take it on yourself to fight some amorphous whole. This inevitably turns out to be a devils’ scheme.


2 posted on 12/22/2015 8:02:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: don-o
whether District Attorney Abel Reyna had presented enough evidence to justify indictments

Well, given that the grand jury indicted folks for killing a guy who had a fatal collision with a deer in another state, and named one guy as both victim and perp in the same indictment, it's pretty clear that the grand jurors are just rubber stamping whatever Reyna hands them, and aren't even bothering to look at either the evidence or the paperwork.

3 posted on 12/22/2015 8:03:58 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
Ham and Swiss on (lite) rye (and partial, incomplete "truth"). hold the mustard.

And here, have a pickle!

4 posted on 12/22/2015 8:08:44 AM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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To: don-o

This is a circus.
The police KNEW IN ADVANCE there was going to be trouble, so instead of acting to PREVENT it, they acted to RECORD IT.

What happened to “keeping the peace”?

They had video set up in advance. There is even talk that the police were the ones who did most of the shooting and killing. They certainly would have release to autopsy reports if it showed the bikers to be the guilty parties

This whole story stinks of government corruption


5 posted on 12/22/2015 8:09:19 AM PST by Mr. K (If it is HilLIARy -vs- Jeb! then I am writing-in Palin/Cruz)
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To: don-o

Blunder... So that’s what they call Obstruction of Justice these days...


6 posted on 12/22/2015 8:10:21 AM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: don-o

Hello Waco!

The truth maybe very expensive.


7 posted on 12/22/2015 8:17:16 AM PST by hadaclueonce (I thought Ethanol was the devil, now i find it is America is an Oligarchy)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Waco? Janet Reno is certainly pleased.


8 posted on 12/22/2015 8:22:49 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: hadaclueonce

Hello Waco!

The truth may be very expensive.
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I sure hope so...for the benefit of the many folks whose lives were devastated by the statists in Waco.

Unfortunately, the actual government perpetrators who actually are carrying out the Stasi actions will likely not be inconvenienced a bit or suffer a penny in personal financial penalties and will ride off smugly into the sunset with the lucrative government pensions intact.


9 posted on 12/22/2015 8:25:04 AM PST by House Atreides (Cruz or lose! Do TG & Boogieman have to be asses every day?)
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To: Mr. K
The police KNEW IN ADVANCE there was going to be trouble, so instead of acting to PREVENT it, they acted to RECORD IT.

This is a very good point that I have made several times in noting that Waco PD were sitting in their cars when the first shots were fired.

Incompetence or malice? I try to be careful in attributing the latter.

10 posted on 12/22/2015 8:29:51 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

Too bad it wasn’t a windy day, they could have just burned them alive, and all would have been well,.


11 posted on 12/22/2015 8:31:06 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: House Atreides

There is a God.

He will not be mocked.

Sometimes the denouement has to wait for eternity, but sometimes also it plays out on earth.

Christian bikers are making more recruits (believers) among the accused. I’d say watch out to anyone who has been compromising with the devil. God may force the choice, either repent or undergo a spectacular disaster.

This isn’t karma. God will pardon any sin, whoever sinned it, through trials may yet await that person. But for those sticking to sin, then a very destructive kind of trouble awaits.


12 posted on 12/22/2015 8:31:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: don-o

“I also wonder if, when the AP reports that .223-caliber rifles were “the only type of weapon fired by police that day,” that includes ATF agents and all other law-enforcement officials responding to the scene”


13 posted on 12/22/2015 8:33:06 AM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: don-o

Not really knowing much of the facts of 5/17, I find what is known about the aftermath to be both interesting and troublesome.

Most interesting recent development is that, as far as I know, Reyna has gotten no guilty pleas. Every single one (maybe 50?) who have been arraigned want to go to trial. Statistics I read indicated that only 10% or so of indictments result in a trial. Regardless, it isn’t 100% and Abelino has quite a heap on his plate.

The troublesome we have discussed quite a lot.


14 posted on 12/22/2015 8:39:34 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

Historically it has often been difficult and even backfired when going after biker groups.


15 posted on 12/22/2015 8:42:29 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What is this “it” that has backfired?


16 posted on 12/22/2015 8:46:01 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Mr. K

“The police KNEW IN ADVANCE there was going to be trouble, so instead of acting to PREVENT it, they acted to RECORD IT.”

False. The police tried to stop it but the business owners would not cooperate.

You do realize it would have been a violation of the 1st Amendment for the police to do much more than that, don’t you?


17 posted on 12/22/2015 9:04:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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False. The police tried to stop it but the business owners would not cooperate.

By "it" do you mean the meeting? And is there a source besides Patrick Swanton? I believe the TP management denied that they had been approached by Waco PD.

Of course, Patrick also claimed that the thing started as a fight in the bathroom.

18 posted on 12/22/2015 9:20:38 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Mr. K

“This whole story stinks of government corruption”

Two teams of law abiding boy scouts that have planned violent action AND THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT????????


19 posted on 12/22/2015 9:23:59 AM PST by Cyman
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To: don-o

” I believe the TP management denied that they had been approached by Waco PD.”

No, they just disputed the police’s characterization that they hadn’t been cooperating with the police to prevent the violence. They never disputed that the police had contacted them:

‘Jay Patel, operating partner at the Waco franchise, said in a statement on the restaurant’s Facebook page Sunday that “our management team had had ongoing and positive communications with the police.”’

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20150518-waco-twin-peaks-managers-dispute-police-claim-that-they-wouldnt-help-with-security.ece


20 posted on 12/22/2015 9:55:45 AM PST by Boogieman
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