Posted on 12/22/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by don-o
The criminal-justice system in Waco, Texas, continues to boggle the mind. Last month, a grand jury in McClellan County held a marathon session to consider whether District Attorney Abel Reyna had presented enough evidence to justify indictments in the shootout at a May gathering of bikers where nine people were killed. In the wake of those killings, 177 bikers were arrested. Many proclaimed their innocence, and local authorities faced criticism for jailing so many individuals using fill-in-the-blank paperwork that didn't differentiate among the jailed.
Still, the November grand jury session returned 106 indictments at the end of one day, some against unknown figures who hadn't previously been arrested. And the citizen jurors would reconvene at a later date to consider the fate of 80 additional bikers. This, despite the fact that leaked surveillance footage certainly seems to depict many bikers who look surprised that bullets are flying and unprepared for a gunfight, not as if they were conspiring to murder a bunch of their rivals:
(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...
did you miss the whole point of my post?
the police KNEW about this and PRE-PLANNED to video record the event.
There is talk that they even started the shooting and did most of it.
Where do you NOT see government corruption?
A visible police presence is meant to prevent things from escalating
I am not saying they should prevent gatherings.
Who shot first, and why? we still don’t know
The preponderance of anecdotal “evidence” is that a biker was first to fire at another biker.What is not known is if he fired to defend himself.
“Who shot first, and why? we still don’t know”
Well, every account we have says one of the bikers shot first, and we have no conflicting accounts.
“There is talk that they even started the shooting and did most of it.”
There is talk that Bush took down the Twin Towers ....
“Who shot first, and why? we still don’t know”
Every witness and video indicates the bikers shot first.
Interesting aside:
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(IMGS/VIDEOS)—Dahuru Motorcycle Club is not considered one of Oregon’s outlaw motorcycle gangs, which is why the violence that erupted early Saturday in North Portland surprised those familiar with the biker scene.
The state’s Department of Justice and law enforcement agencies routinely collect intelligence on outlaw motorcycle gangs, which includes such notorious outfits as the Mongols and Gypsy Joker club. Those gangs have a long and colorful history of extortion, drug dealing, theft, money laundering, prostitution and violence, including murder, according to the Justice Department and criminal court filings.
Members of the outlaw gangs distinguish themselves with three-piece patches: a top “rocker” that names the club, a primary emblem just below, and a “bottom rocker” that typically identifies their state or chapter. They also wear a diamond shaped “1%er” patch on their jackets, a reference to the sliver of American bikers who live as outlaws, defying anyone who attempts to thwart their freedom.
A key figure with one of the handful of outlaw clubs operating in the state said Saturday that the Dahuru club arrived on the scene in the past year or so and hadn’t caused any trouble as far as he could see. The predominantly African-American group rides a mix of sport bikes – often called “crotch rockets” – and Harley-Davidsons, he said.
“They seem like a pretty average motorcycle club,” he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the news media.
But on Saturday, more than two dozen bullets were fired in the early morning shootout that left one man dead and sent two others to the hospital. It’s unclear what sparked the bloodshed or how many shooters were involved.
The Dahuru clubhouse sits in a 78-year-old building next door to Jag’s Clubhouse, a strip club on North Columbia. The Daharus occupy a two-story, 2,700-square-foot space with a card table and living room downstairs, twin red velvet couches that look as though they were culled out of a cheap Las Vegas hotel room, and a sign on a wall that reads, “Dahuru MC is not responsible for any girlfriends left unattended.”
http://www.bikernews.net/index.cfm/d/news/p/read/newsid/43329
Anyone, anywhere, who "takes disrespect lying down" is going to have to fight to get back up, or will get walked on at every turn.
If you don't believe me, look at the long history of patience with the GOP that Conservatives have had.
Not IF they have evidence. In fact, such evidence of conspiracy is sufficient to charge people without a brawl, shootout, or anything else. Conspiracy to commit a felony is a felony all by itself.
So, unless the gathered police entities were looking for a shootout to participate in, they should have arrested anyone they had conspiracy evidence on, on sight, and they would have been 'just doing their job'.
Oops. They didn't. They made no apparent attempt to do so.
That tells me they didn't have evidence of a conspiracy in the first place, and were hoping for an incident, one which their very presence may have helped precipitate.
Anyone pulling (and there are a lot of veterans who are bikers) in would take one look at police deployed in an 'L' shaped ambush formation and have a WTF? moment.
That abnormal assemblage of LEOs might have brought about questions of whether someone had 'informed' on someone else, and generally created distrust among the other people present.
Inaction with evidence, Action without evidence, either way...
“Anyone, anywhere, who “takes disrespect lying down” is going to have to fight to get back up, or will get walked on at every turn.”
It is not acceptable to pull out the knives, chains and guns when you get dissed in a family plaza ....
“Anyone pulling (and there are a lot of veterans who are bikers) in would take one look at police deployed in an ‘L’ shaped ambush formation and have a WTF? moment. “
One of the Cossacks observed the police and said to the effect that he wasn’t worried about the Bandidos because the cops had their (Cossacks) backs.
I never said it was--unless the people dissing you are pulling out knives, chains, and guns while they are doing it. They chose the place, you didn't.
Considering blunt force trauma administered by even feet and hands is a relatively popular murder M.O., self defense NEVER goes out of fashion, with the tools of your choice and attempting to make sure the uninvolved remain unharmed, of course.
What really bothers me about all this besides the total and complete screw ups after the fact by the judge, DA, and Police spokesman, is this wasn’t even an ongoing crime. It was an expected altercation by the police or they would not have been there ready with sniper rifles and plenty of bodies. WTF? How many of those 180 arrested had any idea something like this would go down. For those Waco apologists here; there is no justification for this kind of bad police behavior. Heck, for all we know, the police on scene are responsible for most the deaths and maiming. Maybe even putting that one guy in a wheelchair for life.
Now this story below is one that makes me sick. I love riding bikes; always have. There was a time I liked to ride with groups but these days and for a long time now; I’m a loner who occasionally rides with one or two others. This collection of dirt bags are simply bad egg evil people and belong behind bars for what they did. Not the 180 people arrested and detained that day in May in Waco.
This puts it in perspective I think and for those who point to these bad eggs and say anyone at the TP that day are the same; I say prove it. That’s what real police do. Not this hillbilly heifer raping shit.
” is this wasn’t even an ongoing crime.”
Extortion was an ongoing crime. The CoC is nothing but a front for the outlaws to extort money from the other clubs too afraid to ride without paying for the priviledge of being told when and where they can ride.
“This collection of dirt bags are simply bad egg evil people and belong behind bars for what they did. Not the 180 people arrested and detained that day in May in Waco.”
The ‘180’ are part of the dirt bags. If you wear the colors of the dirt bags that makes you a dirt bag.
From the autopsies we see that most were NOT by the cops!
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, Allen, one gunshot wound in the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Back: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, Keller, one gunshot wound in the back and one in the abdomen.
Back: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Abdomen: Not Determined
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, New Braunfels, one gunshot wound to the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Trunk: Undertermined
Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, Pasadena, one gunshot wound to the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223
Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, Wylie, one gunshot wound to the top of the head, one to the left knee and one in the buttocks. Knee: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Buttocks: Small Caliber .223 or .22
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, Fort Worth, one gunshot wound to the head. Trunk: Small Caliber .223 or .22
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, Waco, shot two times in the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Abdomen: Medium Caliber NOT from police .223; Head: Undetermined
Charles Wayne Russell, 46, Tyler, shot once in the chest. Chest: Small Caliber .223 or .22
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, Ranger, shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen.Neck: Undertermined; Abdomen: Undetermined
Spaz. Arm: Not Available ... yet!
“This puts it in perspective I think and for those who point to these bad eggs and say anyone at the TP that day are the same; I say prove it. That’s what real police do. Not this hillbilly heifer raping shit.”
Over seventy that were at TPs that day were NOT arrested ...
So what? Abelino had read the law under which he planned to charge them. He was going after all who had "a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities."
He could take pictures of the former - sign or symbol. And his master plan, imo, was for people to cop pleas to fulfill the latter. (Thus far, not a single one has pled guilty.)
That latter component - the commission of criminal activities - has been a big problem; made all the more difficult since over half of those arrested have no prior criminal record. And the videos we have seen, that show that most of the people sporting signs and symbols were running away once the violence commenced.
He's got himself in a box that he alone built.
The cut and paste queen strikes again!
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