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Trump’s Weimar America (NYT goes there: Godwin's Law barf alert)
New York Times ^ | DEC. 14, 2015 | Roger Cohen

Posted on 12/16/2015 12:07:14 AM PST by Vision Thing

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It would be wrong not to take Trump very seriously. It would be irresponsible. It would be to forget European history, from whose fascist example he borrows. In Weimar America politics are not what they were. The establishment looks tired. The establishment has not understood the fact-lite theater of the contemporary world.

The Weimar Republic ended with a clown's ascent to power, a high-energy buffoon who shouted loudest, a bully from the beer halls, a racist and a bigot. He was an outsider given to theatrics and pageantry. He seduced the nation of Beethoven. He took the world down with him.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: godwin; trump; weimar
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He (Hitler) was an outsider given to theatrics and pageantry. He seduced the nation of Beethoven. He took the world down with him.

Such projection on the author's part, because his writing is full of theatrics and pageantry.

But he is wrong about Hitler bringing the world down with him. No, America became the world's new superpower from Hitler's fall. And with it, we and the world had a pretty good run.

If Trump can dump this author, America has a shot of extending that good run.

1 posted on 12/16/2015 12:07:14 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Jane Long
I swear, this thing has unlimited mileage...:D


2 posted on 12/16/2015 12:12:33 AM PST by Salamander (It's your world, but it's my street....)
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To: Vision Thing

The only people talking about killing Jews and other people they don’t like are the Muslims.

And you’re pissed off at the guy suggesting we do something about those people?


3 posted on 12/16/2015 12:14:39 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Vision Thing

Wow, the Left is panicking!


4 posted on 12/16/2015 12:14:45 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Salamander

Especially for this election, and it’s only getting started.


5 posted on 12/16/2015 12:16:44 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Tzimisce

The lefties seem to be serving as the muslim’s offensive line, trying to break holes in our defense, so the muzzies can run the ball down our throat.


6 posted on 12/16/2015 12:19:14 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Talisker
Wow, the Left is panicking!

So is the GOPe. Oh wait -- same difference. :)

7 posted on 12/16/2015 12:24:48 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

Yep.

Sick of it already.


8 posted on 12/16/2015 12:31:01 AM PST by Salamander (It's your world, but it's my street....)
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To: Vision Thing

The New York Times have done the impossible.

They have changed my mind about gun control.

I now advocate strict bans on all forms of guns.

Well, at least in New York City.

No way that unhinged freaks like exist in the New York Times should be ANYWHERE near a gun.


9 posted on 12/16/2015 12:32:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: Vision Thing

Liberals like to compare X GOP candidate to Hitler.

If you don’t like someone’s views, just call ‘em a Nazi.

To liberals, any one to their right is a fascist.


10 posted on 12/16/2015 12:33:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vision Thing

I’m not sad that tyrants are taking my freedom.
There will always be people trying to do that.

I’m sad that no one is interested in stopping these people. :(


11 posted on 12/16/2015 12:39:29 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Lazamataz

Imagine manhattan becoming the world’s largest gun-free zone! The muzzies would have an orgasm.


12 posted on 12/16/2015 12:40:37 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: goldstategop

It’s funny how all political persuassions like to compare their enemies to the nutzies.

Maybe someday the world will use the islamic terrorists in the same way.


13 posted on 12/16/2015 12:46:04 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

dem·a·gogue
ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
noun
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur
“he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues”
(in ancient Greece and Rome) a leader or orator who espoused the cause of the common people.


14 posted on 12/16/2015 12:48:10 AM PST by woofie
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To: Tzimisce

Just look at Trump and Cruz. They’re willing to fight.


15 posted on 12/16/2015 12:48:54 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: woofie

Demagogue

Democrat.

Dem’s da same dayum thing. :)


16 posted on 12/16/2015 12:50:58 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

Glenn Beck claimed last week that America wants fascism because of the level of support for Trump.

Journalist Peter Hitchens made a comparison between conditions today and Weimar Germany that will strike a nerve with many of us in this forum.

This was posted on his blog Monday in a discussion of the National Front in France:

“My attitude towards such parties of the so-called ‘Far Right’ (How far is far? Who measures it? Who decides when to apply this epithet?) is that their existence and strength is a reproach to cultures which have expelled responsible and civilized conservative opinion from their parliaments, academies and media, dismissing them as ‘fascists’. Such cultures have created a large and gormless class of frustrated, voiceless people who will, if provoked long enough, vote for almost anyone who is not the establishment.

It’s a sort of Weimar Republic problem. The liberal left have the upper hand, and use it so carelessly and arrogantly, so totally despising those who disagree with them, that they risk losing not just their own superficial gains, but the whole of free society. I believe this to be true, and have tried arguing it with members of the new elite, quite often. They haven’t been interested.”


17 posted on 12/16/2015 12:51:19 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Vision Thing

You mean like how Zero seduced the nation with considerable help from the media, pop culture and the Republican establishment and took the world down with him ?


18 posted on 12/16/2015 12:54:52 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Nextrush

Did weimar germany have muslim terrorism and illegal alien problems?

No.

The comparison is weak.


19 posted on 12/16/2015 1:00:15 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Nextrush

Thanks for the post.

What does gormless mean?


20 posted on 12/16/2015 1:00:27 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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