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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“It was necessary.”

So think many who would confiscate your guns, silence you (permanently) from denying “climate change”, etc. That’s not hyperbole, that’s what a large and growing number of voters contend: incarcerating, and even killing, you is acceptable means toward their sociopolitical ends.


23 posted on 12/15/2015 10:06:58 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: ctdonath2
So think many who would confiscate your guns

They are free to try. But there will be a severe penalty to pay if they try confiscation or internment.

If the Japanese-Americans had guns and the guts to use them, things would have been different. The Jews in 1940 have the same lament.

Not me or mine.

No more running. I aim to misbehave.

54 posted on 12/15/2015 10:57:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: ctdonath2

I think what people don’t understand is that Trump’s policy of banning Muslim immigration, although it sounds good, is nothing more than stupid antics for the sake of making reality tv drama in this election.

First of all, muslims are not going to admit to being muslim anymore than they admit to being terrorists if a ban is in place so, in practice, this ban is a waste of time. Secondly, when one of these muslims gets into the U.S. after claiming they are Christian, then liberals will be calling to ban all Christians too because after all, the muslim lied and entered the country as a Christian. The libs will claim what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Trump’s policy sets a dangerous precedent.

I prefer Cruz’s approach of banning immigration from terrorist supporting countries (i.e. most are muslim) because this can actually be done since country of origin is on a passport/visa. Also, this can’t be used against Christians later.

For those that discount this argument...think back. Liberals wanted to ban the rebel flag because some nutcase stood in front of it prior to a mass shooting, but you didn’t see that same outrage for banning the isis flag when a muslim stood in front of it prior to doing a mass shooting. Liberals will use Trump’s poorly thought out policy against us later, while fighting against it now.

Also, for those that claim Carter did the same thing Trump is proposing then you’re wrong. Carter banned Iranian immigration, based on country of origin, not religion. That is what Cruz is proposing.


127 posted on 12/15/2015 3:38:22 PM PST by TXDuke
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To: ctdonath2

“So think many who would confiscate your guns, silence you (permanently) from denying “climate change”, etc. That’s not hyperbole, that’s what a large and growing number of voters contend: incarcerating, and even killing, you is acceptable means toward their sociopolitical ends.”

I don’t disagree with you. But lets consider Japanese internment. After Pearl Harbor, and the early war in the Pacific, what do you think the fate of Japanese Americans would have been?

It would not have been good. There WERE spies among them, I don’t think that is argued. The strategy of internment, while a crude instrument, saved Japanese-American lives too.

When our government coddles the enemy amongst us, people will not sit idly by forever.

Now to your point about political “enemies” - if we get to that point, it will be a different game. There is one thing finding an expedient, if not wholly unconstitutional, solution during actual wartime. It is different when the “war” is political and domestic. That would precipitate a civil war - as well it should.

That doesn’t mean leftist/environmentalists won’t try - as you aptly point out.


174 posted on 12/16/2015 4:19:20 AM PST by RFEngineer
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