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Could liberal voters hand Ted Cruz the Republican nomination?
Examiner ^ | December 9, 2015 | Mark Whittington

Posted on 12/09/2015 11:33:08 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Will liberal voters hand Ted Cruz the Republican nomination? So goes the theory posited in a Wednesday story in the New York Times. The idea is that if Hillary Clinton is the inevitable Democratic nominee, participating in the Democratic primaries would be pointless. So, it would behoove liberal voters to cross over to the Republican races and vote for whom they think will be the most unelectable candidate now running. Oddly, the Times thinks that person is Cruz, the conservative firebrand from Texas and not, as many might have thought, Donald Trump, the mercurial businessman, and media personality.

In any case, the idea is that Cruz is so extreme that Ms. Clinton would beat him like a drum during the general election, likely by a landslide.

A couple of problems exist with the theory.

As of this writing, it is true that Clinton is ahead of Cruz in most of the polls listed by Real Clear Politics. However, she leads by single digits and in most polls is below 50 percent, not a good place to be for the Once and Future Queen. Moreover, the Fox News poll currently has Cruz ahead.

The other problem is Hillary Clinton......

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
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But what about the GOP elites?

As Rush says, "The Washington Establishment would rather have Donald Trump over Ted Cruz."

The NYT piece has this nugget:

"....Frank Bruni recently wrote in a Times column about his surge:

The political strategist Matthew Dowd, who worked for Bush back then, tweeted that 'if truth serum was given to the staff of the 2000 Bush campaign," an enormous percentage of them "would vote for Trump over Cruz."

And the same goes for many who have known him beyond politics:

Anyone but Cruz: That's the leitmotif of his life, stretching back to college at Princeton. His freshman roommate, Craig Mazin, told Patricia Murphy of The Daily Beast: "I would rather have anybody else be the president of the United States. Anyone. I would rather pick somebody from the phone book."

Some voters may actually be praying that Mr. Cruz doesn't win.

After my colleague Nate Cohn wrote that Mr. Cruz's lopsided support among self-described "very conservative" voters wouldn't necessarily preclude victory in the G.O.P. race, a reader wrote:

Dear God,

Please don't let Ted Cruz be the president of the United States of America.

Thanks for your help

We're getting desperate,

America's 99%

Jim from Washington

1 posted on 12/09/2015 11:33:10 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If this were a race between Hillary and Cruz...there would be the dynamic of three debates lingering out there. Hillary....even with three moderators working with her at their top form...could not take down or marginalize Cruz in a debate.

I think you could pull out every single Republican and Democrat contender from the past two hundred years, and with the exception of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt...no one would be at Cruz’s level.


2 posted on 12/09/2015 11:38:57 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Except, that is not what they did in Michigan in the governers race. They picked the most rino one to vote for, and we got tricky ricky snyder. The half dem kinda repub.


3 posted on 12/09/2015 11:42:09 PM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: pepsionice

Don’t forget Ronald Reagan debating RFK and handing him his @$$.


4 posted on 12/09/2015 11:42:17 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wouldnt care if it’s Trump or Ted. They had a meeting beforehand and there should be a secret agreement between the two on who gets top spot.


5 posted on 12/09/2015 11:51:05 PM PST by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: pepsionice
But there's just this teensy factoid at work here.... Right now Trump is winning state and general polls ( yes, it's very early to put a lot of trust in polls ), Trump has a VERY broad, wide and deep, appeal range and his supporters would all crawl over broken glass and through raging fires to vote for him.

Who is going to bring Trump down, when EVERYTHING that anyone has tried, thus far, has failed and failed miserably?

Can anyone else on the GOP side bring in as big and diverse crowds as Trump does, at his rallies ? If so, name him or her. Frankly, I haven't seen them do so.

6 posted on 12/09/2015 11:52:50 PM PST by nopardons
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...Can anyone else on the GOP side bring in as big and diverse crowds as Trump does, at his rallies ? If so, name him or her. Frankly, I haven't seen them do so.

Yes, a lot of Democrats are excited about a Trump win.

Donald Trump: 'I think I will have a lot of Democrats voting for me'

7 posted on 12/10/2015 12:02:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: exnavy
Except, that is not what they did in Michigan in the governers race. They picked the most rino one to vote for, and we got tricky ricky snyder. The half dem kinda repub.

It sounds like they actually wanted him ("half dem kinda repub") to win versus a strategy to put a weaker candidate up against theirs.

8 posted on 12/10/2015 12:04:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was referring to Trump. A little slow on the uptake; CW.

Trump appeals to b lacks, Hispanics, whites, men , women, all socio-economic groups, disaffected Dems, GOpers, all age groups, never voted befores, the young, the old and the in between.

9 posted on 12/10/2015 12:08:26 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Trump appeals to b lacks, Hispanics, whites, men , women, all socio-economic groups, disaffected Dems, GOpers, all age groups, never voted befores, the young, the old and the in between.

You divvy voters up like a Democrat.

10 posted on 12/10/2015 12:10:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Now, now....GOPers do so too; it's called "counting noses" and what the backroom guys have done since this nation began to hold elections.

Please don't try to play silly games with me; you should know better than to do that.

11 posted on 12/10/2015 12:14:43 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So what’s the deal with the freshman roommate? Anyone know?

Now, mind you, there might not be much to that. *My* freshman roommate might say the same thing, but we clashed because she used to sneak smokes in our room (she lied on her application and asked for a non-smoking room, because she didn’t want her mother to know) and so our tiny room with no ventilation stank to high heaven. We were also just completely different people and simply didn’t get along. (We had been randomly assigned together.) So your roommate not liking you might not amount to much.

But I am curious about the story of Cruz’s roommate. Anyone know about that?


12 posted on 12/10/2015 12:15:20 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert ("Cruz." That's the answer.)
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To: nopardons

So, what do you have to report on the growing consensus that the GOP Washington Elites would prefer Trump as their nominee over Cruz?


13 posted on 12/10/2015 12:17:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More mental masturbation at 3 Am. One thing is for sure, this election year as exposed the media, all of them, for being stupid.


14 posted on 12/10/2015 12:17:27 AM PST by nikos1121 ("Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."-- Golda Meir)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I don't believe it. :-)

You just want a flame war'/big argument. Go find someone else!

15 posted on 12/10/2015 12:19:23 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/19/ted-cruz-at-princeton-creepy-sometimes-well-liked-and-exactly-the-same.html

........”I remember very specifically that he had a book in Spanish and the title was Was Karl Marx a Satanist? And I thought, who is this person?” Mazin says of Ted Cruz. “Even in 1988, he was politically extreme in a way that was surprising to me.”

By Mazin’s account and those of multiple members of Princeton’s class of 1992, the Ted Cruz who arrived as a college freshman in 1988 was nearly identical to the man who arrived in Washington as a freshman Republican senator in 2013: intelligent, confident, fixated on conservative political theory, and deeply polarizing..............


16 posted on 12/10/2015 12:24:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nikos1121

Good morning, I’m just starting my day.


17 posted on 12/10/2015 12:25:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nopardons

No “flame,” I’m just interested in how you square that [chalk it up].


18 posted on 12/10/2015 12:26:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Reagan got huge numbers of those divvied up groups, too. People liked him, and because of that, they trusted him, and started actually listening to a conservative for the first time. And when it worked, that cemented that he was the right guy for the job. Bush I destroyed that rapport that was created.

Trump has that same appeal. It doesn't mean he's not conservative enough, it's that a broad spectrum likes him, and trusts him enough to vote for him, and give him a shot. And if he succeeds, they'll vote for him again, and get more of their friends to do the same.

Is that so terrible?

19 posted on 12/10/2015 12:31:42 AM PST by Defiant (There are two Republican parties--the GOPe and the PRP (People's Republican Party). PRP will win.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The MSM is just floating this, it means nothing. You know...the throw vomit on a wall and how much sticks.


20 posted on 12/10/2015 12:34:29 AM PST by nopardons
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