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To: the scotsman

The banishment of Islam happened all over Europe, beginning in the 11th century Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_southern_Italy

I said nothing of the Reconquista or the Jews. It is totally irresponsible and without proportion to present a moral equivalence defense of Islamic conquests based upon a 16th century persecution of Iberian Jews by the Jesuits. It has no factual merit to counter the expulsion of Islam and is nothing less than simplistic demagoguery.

The repetitive expulsion of Islam from Western nations is based upon:

“Muslim conquest of Kerman
391; Ṭabari, I, p. 2,863; tr., XV, p. 69) Baloch and Balochistan, Naseer Dashti THE ARAB CONQUEST, B. A. Litvinsky, A. H. Jalilov and A. I. Kolesnikov
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Muslim conquest of Northern Persia
lieutenants of the caliph Umar and his successors where the conquest was including Tabaristan, Azerbaijan and Armenia. in later era it became the capital of the
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Muslim conquest of Persia
The Muslim conquest of Persia, also known as the Arab conquest of Iran led to the end of the Sasanian Empire in 651 and the eventual decline of the Zoroastrian
76 KB (9,776 words) - 10:49, 2 December 2015

Umayyad conquest of Hispania
Iberia, or al-Andalus (756–788). The conquest marks the westernmost expansion of both the Umayyad Caliphate and Muslim rule into Europe. Forces commanded
27 KB (3,673 words) - 05:59, 16 November 2015

Muslim conquest of Fars
The Muslim conquest of Fars took place from 638/9 to 650/1, and ended with subjugation of the important Fars Province to the Rashidun Caliphate. The
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Muta of Dailam
Muslim conquest of Persia. His army, was, however, defeated and he was killed by the army of Nu’man. The History of al-Tabari Vol. 14: The Conquest of Iran
1 KB (118 words) - 15:08, 28 November 2015

Muslim conquest of Azerbaijan
years of 22 Hijr, After the conquest of Rayy and Central Persia, Umar ordered the conquest of Azarbaijan. The Rashidun Caliphate continued the conquest towards
5 KB (651 words) - 23:07, 7 October 2015

Muslim conquest of Sistan
Abdulrehman ibn Sumra to undertake the operation. Abdur Rahman b Sumra led the Muslim forces to Sistan and after crossing the frontier and overcoming resistance
2 KB (273 words) - 22:42, 9 March 2015

Muslim conquest of the Maghreb
The Muslim conquest of North Africa continued the century of rapid Arab Muslim military expansion following the death of Muhammad in 632 AD. By 642, the
21 KB (2,826 words) - 01:39, 6 December 2015

Battle of Istakhr (650-653)
while Yazdegerd III fled to Kerman. Thus ended the Muslim conquest of Fars, however the series of revolt still haunt this town until it was pacified for
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Arab conquest of Armenia
The Arab conquest of Armenia was a part of the Muslim conquests after the death of Muhammad in 632 CE. Persian Armenia had fallen to the Arab Rashidun
7 KB (795 words) - 07:18, 17 November 2015

Isfandyadh (category Muslim conquest of Persia)
is mentioned as the prince of Adurbadagan, who at the head of an big army along with Muta and Varaztirots, fought the Muslim Arabs at Waj Rudh, a village
3 KB (279 words) - 16:41, 6 December 2015

Mardanshah (category Muslim conquest of Persia)
the “owner of bushy eyebrows” as was Bahman Jadhuyih. Battle of Muzayyah Battle of the Bridge Islamic conquest of Iran Muslim conquests Sassanid Empire
1 KB (47 words) - 15:18, 28 November 2015

Battle of Hira
Battle of Hira was fought between the Sasanians and the Rashidun Caliphate in 633. It was one of the early battles of the Muslim conquest of Persia.
3 KB (368 words) - 18:08, 27 November 2014

Shahrvaraz Jadhuyih (category Muslim conquest of Persia)
Parvaneh (2008). Decline and Fall of the Sasanian Empire: The Sasanian-Parthian Confederacy and the Arab Conquest of Iran. London and New York: I.B. Tauris
1 KB (86 words) - 15:08, 28 November 2015

Muslim conquest of the Levant
The Muslim conquest of Syria (Arabic: الفتح الإسلامي لبلاد الشام) occurred in the first half of the 7th century, and refers to the conquest of region known
43 KB (5,923 words) - 07:17, 17 November 2015

Siege of Alexandria (641)
provinces of Byzantine Africa. Following Muslim conquest, the local populace and political infrastructure was left largely intact, albeit under Muslim control
16 KB (2,444 words) - 06:11, 22 September 2015

Hormozd Jadhuyih (category Muslim conquest of Persia)
Battle of Firaz. Pourshariati, Parvaneh (2008). Decline and Fall of the Sasanian Empire: The Sasanian-Parthian Confederacy and the Arab Conquest of Iran
1 KB (112 words) - 15:07, 28 November 2015

Islamization of the Sudan region
states.[citation needed] Following the 8th-century Muslim conquest of North Africa, Arab Muslims began leading expeditions into Sub-Saharan Africa -
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Battle of Waj Rudh
Parvaneh (2008). Decline and Fall of the Sasanian Empire: The Sasanian-Parthian Confederacy and the Arab Conquest of Iran. London and New York: I.B. Tauris
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351 posted on 12/08/2015 1:09:12 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

I am sorry if I misunderstood your point, nor was I trying to defend the Islamic Empire. I am in fact very glad of your erudite reply, its nice to see someone who knows their stuff so to speak and is another history scholar.

I, personally, as a history graduate, buff and European, sometimes find it surprising and frankly shocking that some people here (not you) think that the post-Reconquista behaviour of the Spanish and the Inquisition in general was a positive period of history. That it was necessary and justified. I cannot ‘get my head around’ such thinking.

It is no lie to say the Jews were better tolerated by the Moors than by the Reconquistas. The Reconquista may have been a positive and necessary step, but what followed it was at times shameful. And the Inquisition(s) was/were a stain on European history. An appalling period that no decent human being can defend.

As to Islam, whilst I share everyone’s hatred of radical Islam and the fear of what we are becoming, I, as a history lover, am well aware, that like any group of people, Muslims are neither all saints nor devils. I do not susbribe to the idiotic ‘everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11’ idea. The history of Islam is one of intolerance and brutality, but it is also one of tolerance and genius. It has given us both the Moors and suicide bombers, Islamic science and Bin Laden. I have been to Spain, Southern Europe, Turkey and N Africa and seen the brilliance of Moorish/Islamic culture. Places like Granada and Moorish Spain are astounding: the art and architecture is beautiful and breathtaking. Islamc has also given us great art, literature and science (despite post 9-11 revisionism).

All this makes what Islam today has become all the more tragic. It is a faith capable to genius and beauty, yet it has degraded into hatred. I like the theory of British historian Dr David Starkey, who believes that islam is going through its own violent reformation as we did, that this is the time frame comparable to Christianity (around 1400-1500 yrs after its birth) and that Islam will pass through this turbulent time a better and less violent faith.

BTW, Thank you for the bibliography included in your post. Makes for my Christmas reading. LOL


451 posted on 12/09/2015 9:07:31 AM PST by the scotsman
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