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To: sten; Eleutheria5; kvanbrunt2; Jim from C-Town; DesertRhino; Bob434; wita; o-n-money; All
"all taxpayers send their federal tax money... care of their state government.”

Having also considered the same thing, I appreciate your suggestion for taming federal taxation. But Congresss power to appropriate tax has actually already been limited in another way too which Congress now wrongly ignores.

Given the remote possibility that you were not aware of this, the Supreme Court had clarified in the first half 19th century that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. Here is the excerpt.

”Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” - Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, based on the Courts statement above, here is a rough approximation of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited power duties.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Section 8 deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.

In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx News, should not be reporting multi-trillion annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Courts clarification of Congresss limited power to lay taxes in budget discussions.

The reason that we now have an unconstitutionally big, tax-hungry federal government on our backs is this imo. When the Founding States established the federal Senate, they gave control of the Senate uniquely to state lawmakers. Part of the reason for having state legislatures control the Senate was so that senators could protect their states by killing House appropriations bills which could not be justified under Congresss Section 8 powers, such bills basically stealing state revenues.

The problem is that the Progressive Movement spooked low-information citizens to pressure state lawmakers to ratify the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (17A). And state lawmakers caved in and ratified 17A, foolishly giving up the voices of the state legislatures in Congress.

So now, after voters elect their federal senators, they go home and watch football while corrupt senators rob their wallets. Senators do this by working in cahoots with the corrupt House to pass unconstitutional appropriations bills, bills which Congress cannot justify under its Section 8-limited powers.

The ill-conceived 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators who hurt their states by helping the likewise corrupt House to pass unconstitutional appropriations bills along with it.

70 posted on 11/26/2015 11:48:48 AM PST by Amendment10
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[[Given the remote possibility that you were not aware of this, the Supreme Court had clarified in the first half 19th century that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers. Here is the excerpt.

”Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” - Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.]]

So the health care obamination was billed as a tax, in order to get it deemed legal by the SC, correct? or was it not deemed a tax, then later declared to be a tax?


71 posted on 11/26/2015 2:04:56 PM PST by Bob434
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