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To: amorphous

Actually I think they are both telling the truth.

Turkey try to contact the Russian Jet. Due to mechanical failure, operator error what ever, the Russians do not hear the Turks.

Turks: we contacted them the Russians ignored us.

Russians: We never heard from them.

This is why you do not shoot 1st and ask questions later. You have no way of knowing the pilot is hearing your warnings.


5 posted on 11/25/2015 9:29:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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All true. But there is a piece of equipment — a radar warning receiver — present on all combat aircraft. If the Turks were truly interested in knowing if the Russians were ignoring all they had to do was have their patrolling F-16’s paint them with their Radar. THAT would have gotten them to take evasive action in the direction of Syrian airspace.

I suspect that this was an Aerial ambush, pure & simple.


33 posted on 11/25/2015 9:59:32 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: MNJohnnie

The Russian pilot is correct in this. The Turkish Jets should have paralleled the Russian jet and shown themselves.


43 posted on 11/25/2015 10:26:43 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: MNJohnnie

My thinking is identical to your first four sentences.

But regarding the 5th sentence, I agree with the Ruskie that they should have come along side them, considering the speed differences.

My question to anyone, preferable a pilot, is how did the Turk’s warn the Ruskie? Via voice message or some electronic signal?

My point is, if it’s by voice message, try and say, 10 times in 17 seconds: “You are in Turkish airspace, get out or we will fire”.

My bet is the Ruskies were tracked with anticipation of their going into Turkish airspace which enabled the Turks to be very quick with their kill. 17 seconds is very little time to do something like that without first having the intentions. In essence, the Russians were being stalked which from an airspace defense position, is probably a good thing.


46 posted on 11/25/2015 10:29:54 AM PST by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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