Posted on 11/20/2015 10:20:51 AM PST by Theoria
I was raised that when a policeman asks for my driver’s
license or pulls me over for speeding, to pull over, say
“yes sir” and “no sir” and shut up.
I was raised that when a policeman asks for my driver’s
license or pulls me over for speeding, to pull over, say
“yes sir†and “no sir†and shut up.
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You and me both.
so much so that I had a young state cop who had pulled me over for having a burned out light over my license plate ask me to stop.
Probably.
As long as they get way with what they are doing, what is the downside?
But let's clarify two things.
First, a "police state" is when normally legal actions - like deciding not to participate in a political rally, or publishing statements critical of the government, or gathering for worship - are arbitrarily considered crimes, and one can be arrested for them and held without bond or hearing.
Smashing your car into someone else's car and then running away from the police are not normally legal activities that have been arbitrarily criminalized.
Second, once you run from the cops they are not going to trust you to all of a sudden voluntarily remain immobile.
They are going to render you immobile.
Ever since there have been cops, criminals have known that if they are going to run from the cops they had better get away, because if they don't they are going to get it.
That's life, and that's the way it always has been.
Stanislav had a choice: realize he screwed up and call an attorney, or try to be an escape artist.
As they say, play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
What the guy did was wrong but once he is down and not actively fighting that's where it should end.
If the police act this way does it not in some measure justify trying to escape?
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It’s not just physical beatings ,, it’s the way the system abuses offenders with stacked charges ,, one offense with a half dozen charges... and in Florida a simple fine/ticket gets bumped with arbitrary tack on fees and junk making them near impossible to pay... nothing is in proportion and for many fleeing is the rational choice.
Under your system, we’ll save a lot of money on judges, lawyers & courts, just as the Founding Fathers intended...
Yeah, if they beat someone who was not running or resisting. that happens far less frequently, though it does happen.
I'll save my sympathy for those cases. Looks like the assholes who want to run and fight and make law enforcement a competition have plenty of support from others here.
Hopefully I'll remember to ping you when Stanislav wins the Lotto from the taxpeasants of Alameda County, wideawake.
Maybe you can do a public statement justifying the tax hit to them, you know, make them "understand" that it's actually Stanislav's fault, and not the fault of the two steroid mutants with badges.
Good thing Anne Marrin didn’t run...
If Hillary Clinton was a simple peasant, they'd have charge-larded her with a stack of paper 10 inches thick...
If you're not going to bother reading what I posted, you should probably not advertise that in your responses.
If she didn’t run or fight, and still got beaten, then I’ll support her. Reading comprehension not your thing?
wideawake wrote initially:Oh noes.
It's getting so someone can't even destroy someone else's property and run away from the cops anymore!
There is absolutely nothing poor, sweet, gentle, little Stanislav could have done to avoid this horrible, unthinkable tragedy.
Or was there . . .
LOL! LostInBayport, muir_redwoods & dmz got the same sense of your initial post that I did. You're applauding summary justice by the police.
Did they not bother to read it, either? :)
Pretending that someone didn't read your post seems to be the new strawman around Free Republic these days. Nice try, though, wideasleep...
You just didn't read the thread.
I went to college for free on it, now that you mention it.
glasseye wrote initially: If the police act this way does it not in some measure justify trying to escape?
glasseye's post brought to mind the Illinois thug embezzler suicide cop, who contemplated framing village administrator Anne Marrin for drugs because she was on to his "activities".
Your comment about certain persons "who want to run and fight and make law enforcement a competition" made me laugh out loud at the thought of a "bad guy" running from and fighting Ossifer GI Joe Gliniewicz.
We don't know if these two deputies are GI Joes themselves, but the beatings thing makes one wonder...
Why, yes, I did, wideasleep.
Quit trying to wiggle out of your summary justice comment. :)
do you wear black jackboots with your brown shirts or brown ones? For anyone to profess both conservatism and an acceptance of this behavior by the state’s muscle is to give evidence of deep, conflicted confusion. At best.
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