Posted on 11/13/2015 12:23:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Skip to 5:10 of the first clip below for the immigration bit from this morning’s interview with Mike Gallagher. Actual quote from Cruz about Rubio’s claim that the two are alike on immigration:
That's like Obama saying my position is the same as his on Obamacare. That’s like Ayatollah Khamenei saying my position is the same as his on the Iranian nuclear deal.
Rubio and the Ayatollah Khamenei, huh?
Anyway. There are at least three broad differences between Rubio and Cruz on legalization. One: Cruz opposes a “legalization first” approach to reform, arguing correctly that that’s the same bait-and-switch that was pulled on border hawks with the 1986 immigration law. In return for mere promises of greater security to come, conservatives allowed illegals to be legalized up front. That’s what the Gang of Eight bill did. And Marco Rubio knew all about it.
Two: Rubio supports a path to citizenship to this day while Cruz has steadily opposed it. That’s important if you think we could hypothetically grant illegals the right to remain in the U.S. legally without the federal government eventually caving and granting them full citizenship at a later date. If you’re a cynic (a.k.a. you know your last 50 years of immigration history) and don’t believe that, then the difference isn’t so huge. Essentially it’s an argument about whether we should let illegals vote in, say, 15 years or (hopefully) a bit further out in time, once Congress finally gives in and ends their “second-class” status by making them citizens.
Three: We … actually know Rubio’s position on legalization whereas Ted Cruz’s remains a carefully guarded secret. “My position on immigration has been crystal clear from day one,” he says at the start of his immigration exchange with Gallagher, which I’ll bet gave Team Rubio a little LOL of their own. Follow the last link if you missed the background on that yesterday. For those who didn’t miss it, Michael Warren asks an interesting follow-up question:
Cruz told Byron York of the Washington Examiner not long after his amendments failed that his objective “was not to kill immigration reform but to amend the Gang of Eight bill so that it actually solves the problem rather than making the problem worse.” But if Cruz knew his amendments were meant to draw lines in the sand and he’s not for legalization, why didn’t his amendment propose barring any illegal immigrants from legalized status? Cruz has built a reputation in the Senate as a policy maximalist, willing to push as far as possible out of principle. It doesn’t add up that he would pull a punch and not try to amend the bill to block most or all legalization, too.
Why did Cruz’s amendment to the Gang of Eight bill offer to leave legal status for illegals in place while denying them citizenship? Team Cruz would say it’s because he wanted to isolate the issue of citizenship; if he offered Democrats everything they wanted except that, would they take the deal? The answer, it turned out, was no, which proves that citizenship for illegals is what they really wanted. Okay, but a brilliant guy like Cruz has surely absorbed the lesson I mentioned above, that legalization inevitably means citizenship. Why didn’t he stand on that point, knowing that any amendment he proposed would be defeated, and try to strip legalization from the bill too? “Legalization is eventual citizenship” he could have argued, and that would have stung Rubio. But he didn’t go that route. And we all know why: It’s because Cruz is fully planning to endorse legalization in the general election if/when he becomes the nominee. And when he does it, he’ll point back to his 2013 amendment — the one that supposedly was all about trapping Democrats — and say, “See? I was for it all along.”
Then again, that betrayal wouldn’t be nearly as grand as Rubio running for the Senate as some sort of border hawk and then stabbing conservatives in the back by joining the Gang as his first big legislative initiative. I wonder how long it’ll be before Team Cruz starts recirculating this old clip of Rubio claiming on the trail in 2010 that an “earned path to citizenship” for illegals is “basically code for amnesty.” Earned citizenship is exactly what the Gang offered. That counterattack is coming soon. In the meantime, here’s Cruz with Gallagher followed by what Rubio said yesterday about the alleged similarity of their positions on immigration.
Cruz lies.
Young Yeb! cooked his goose teaming up with Schumer.
Turns out that his plan to
Comprehensively Screw Americans Out Of Their Country
isn’t a popular position
Now that’s funny, don’t care who you are............
RE: Cruz lies.
Can you elaborate?
Read this press release:
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=137
And this radio interview from yesterday (from above):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwLD-yj_fE
Listen from the seven minute mark to the end and compare what he now says to what his own press release says and justifies.
II am singularly UNIMPRESSED with what he said in 2013 and what he is saying today.
People DO CHANGE THEIR MINDS after giving it some thought.
Here’s my take — Cruz’s views on immigration is NOT YET SET. It is not as set s Trump’s.
Based on my impression, he is trying to strike a balance between preventing illegals and trying to determine who is deportable and who is not.
He is most definitely against mass amnesty.
Based on what I hear him when he talks to talk show host, Mark Levin.... I think he does not want to talk about any form of legalization until we can be certain that we can secure the borders.
A real, sincere “evolution” of one’s views in NOT LYING in my book. It’s trying to come up with a clear and coherent strategy on a complex issue.
Cruz gets asked the same exact question about his support for H-1B visa program not once, but twice.
Again, he’s supportive of the program because he thinks it ‘stimulates economic growth’ and wants to prosecute companies who don’t ‘use it as intended.’
Okay Cruz, let’s have a 500% increase in H-1B visas for attorneys, Senators, and Congress members. I’m so sick of the typical GOP double talk that will get Hillary Clinton two terms as President.
“Cruz told Byron York of the Washington Examiner not long after his amendments failed that his objective “was not to kill immigration reform but to amend the Gang of Eight bill so that it actually solves the problem rather than making the problem worse.†But if Cruz knew his amendments were meant to draw lines in the sand and he’s not for legalization, why didn’t his amendment propose barring any illegal immigrants from legalized status? Cruz has built a reputation in the Senate as a policy maximalist, willing to push as far as possible out of principle. It doesn’t add up that he would pull a punch and not try to amend the bill to block most or all legalization, too.”
So it’s now admission by omission.
They will stop at nothing.
I agree that Cruz is for increasing legal immigration, especially for high skilled workers, who he claims are employable and do not increase welfare dependency.
However, even Trump is not averse to skilled labor migration.
In Trump’s own POLICY PAPER, SEE HERE:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Trump advocated for raising the prevailing wage for H-1B visas – a category of visa reserved for foreign workers with advanced degrees, generally in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields. His position is based on the following reasoning:
(QUOTE)
“We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program... Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S.”
I laugh in your general direction, Marco! HaHaHa
Trump wants to permanently legalize foreign students who graduate from our colleges. That's 250K every year and they never have to leave. So every year you get an additional 250K.
Compare that to H1Bs who are not permanent.
BTW, it sounds like Cruz is no longer for H1Bs, which is a good thing.
It’s getting interesting, if nothing else.
I said on another thread that it’ll be interesting to see these two flesh it out.
Glad to see Cruz coming around closer to Trump’s way of thinking, on immigration ;-)
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
In a Cruz Administration, I will immediately suspend the H-1B visa program for 180 days for an investigation & audit https://t.co/JxWTrzbDLd
There is clearly a difference of opinion on STEM jobs then. Cruz said that there are 1.7 STEM job opening for every 1 American applying for a STEM job.
Evidence?
There’s no difference between Rubio and Cruz on increasing H-1B visas. None. Both sponsored legislation to expand the program.
This thread has nothing to do with Trump, who said right here in Nevada the program not one H-1B visa before Americans.
https://youtu.be/vCiRKeGAMoY?t=1h3m50s
Just stop. He’s done. He’s bought. He has no business being in the White House.
My taxpayer dollars for accrediting universities in China and India so more workers from China and India can come here? IS HE NUTS?
Cruz keeps this up and his Senate seat will be in jeopardy.
Lookslike we havea NooB troller.
Sen. Cruz Amendment to Immigration Legislation to Increase H-1B Visas (Youtube 9:38)
Assuming economic growth and more and higher paying jobs for Americans is of any interest to anyone.
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