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To: Phinneous
One of your earliest prophecies unfulfilled (”.. In your lifetimes... “)

What was that prophecy?

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

From Dr. John Gill:

"...which prediction had a full and remarkable accomplishment; and which is not only attested by Josephus (y), who relates, that both the city and temple were dug up, and laid level with the ground; but also by other Jewish writers; who tell us (z) that

"on the ninth of Ab, a day prepared for punishments, Turnus Rufus the wicked, "ploughed up the temple", and all round about it, to fulfil what is said, "Zion shall be ploughed as a field".

(y) De Bello Jud. l. 7. c. 7. (z) Maimon. Hilch. Taaniot, c. 5. sect. 3. T. Bab. Taanith, fol. 23. 1. & Gloss. in ib.

Even the talk of the sun darkening, and the moon becoming blood, have had their fulfillment, though not in their literal sense:

"not in a literal but in a figurative sense; and is to be understood not of the religion of the Jewish church; nor of the knowledge of the law among them, and the decrease of it; nor of the Gospel being obscured by heretics and false teachers; nor of the temple of Jerusalem, senses which are given into by one or another; but of the Shekinah, or the divine presence in the temple. The glory of God, who is a sun and a shield, filled the tabernacle, when it was reared up; and so it did the temple, when it was built and dedicated; in the most holy place, Jehovah took up his residence; here was the symbol of his presence, the mercy seat, and the two cherubim over it: and though God had for some time departed from this people, and a voice was heard in the temple before its destruction, saying, "let us go hence"; yet the token of the divine presence remained till the utter destruction of it; and then this sun was wholly darkened, and there was not so much as the outward symbol of it:

and the moon shall not give her light; which also is to be explained in a figurative and metaphorical sense; and refers not to the Roman empire, which quickly began to diminish; nor to the city of Jerusalem; nor to the civil polity of the nation; but to the ceremonial law, the moon, the church is said to have under her feet, Rev_12:1 so called because the observance of new moons was one part of it, and the Jewish festivals were regulated by the moon; and especially, because like the moon, it was variable and changeable. Now, though this, in right, was abolished at the death of Christ, and ceased to give any true light, when he, the substance, was come; yet was kept up by the Jews, as long as their temple was standing; but when that was destroyed, the daily sacrifice, in fact, ceased, and so it has ever since; the Jews esteeming it unlawful to offer sacrifice in a strange land, or upon any other altar than that of Jerusalem; and are to this day without a sacrifice, and without an ephod:"

This has generally been the consensus view of the church for the past 2000 years. Nothing of our scripture (back to our opinion) is broken

Your tribal affiliations no longer exist. All records have been destroyed. No way to verify anything. The scepter of Judah and its tribal distinctiveness has long since departed. The second temple has long been destroyed. And the Messiah, which was to come before these events, came in the form of Jesus Christ.

There is nothing left for Jews to wait for.

244 posted on 11/10/2015 5:41:35 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Pardon me, I was thinking of this (as opposed to your pull-quote) :

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

Which ones did not taste death?

You research so much— a plethora of Jewish writings online. (was that Christianity.com or BibleHub?)

It doesn’t change the fact that we have polar opposite beliefs. Everything you wrote is a Christian viewpoint on Judaism— it means nothing to Jews. Jews await the Messiah and the rebuilt, eternal third temple (regarding which you have adjunct scripture and teachings which interpret otherwise.)

“Your tribal affiliations no longer exist. All records have been destroyed. No way to verify anything. The scepter of Judah and its tribal distinctiveness has long since departed.”

Utter malarkey. In my very congregation there is a Jew who can trace his lineage to King David in an unbroken paternal line.

http://www.davidicdynasty.org/

It is a fantasy (or a wish of Christendom?) to think that that knowledge would fade. There are at least 400 such men in the US. The scepter will be in the hands of the shoot that will spring up from the stump (of Jesse....the seemingly cut-down bloodline.)

So where were we... waiting. (Funny, it was Michelle Bachmann’s quote, “Christ is coming soon!” in the OP.) I don’t even doubt your content in your waiting. I certainly have no doubts in the Jewish assertion that his coming is imminent. We are working towards it and you are faithing towards it.


246 posted on 11/10/2015 8:45:18 PM PST by Phinneous (She-yibaneh beis hamikdash bi-m'heirah v'yameinu v'sein chelkeinu b'sorah-secha.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
And the Messiah, which was to come before these events, came in the form of Jesus Christ. There is nothing left for Jews to wait for.

Have you ever considered a career writing science fiction? Because if this is not science fiction that you're posting, I have another less charitable term for it.

There is no room in Judaism for J.C. He is not our messiah. He means nothing to us, nothing at all. You blaspheme OUR messiah, who is yet to come, by claiming J.C. is the messiah. And we do not recognize "Dr. John Gill" as any sort of religious authority about Judaism. He might spin a good tale about non-Jewish stuff--or not--but he certainly is not speaking with any grounding in the truth regarding Judaism.

248 posted on 11/10/2015 9:45:24 PM PST by EinNYC
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