Posted on 11/02/2015 4:39:36 AM PST by marktwain
The Smith & Wesson revolver shown above was paid for by U.S. taxpayers. It was a finely crafted piece of machinery that served its country of origin well. It is legal to own in all 50 states, by nearly all citizens. But the Clinton administration chose to pay additional tax dollars to reduce it to this sad pile of scrap. The destruction likely occurred at Anniston Army Depot.
The General Services Administration (GSA) has issued a solicitation from the FBI for a unrestricted number of 9mm pistols worth up to 85 million dollars. From GSA:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is issuing an unrestricted solicitation for various 9mm luger pistols and all associated replacement parts with the intent of making single award of a fixed price indefinite-delivery indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract. In accordance with FAR 2.101, Multi-Agency Contracts, this solicitation includes a provision authorizing other law enforcement agencies to utilize the contract on a case-by-case basis with prior approval. The anticipated period of performance consists of one (1) base year and nine (9) possible additional one-year options.
It is worth noting that the offers are to be received in late January of 2016, so that receipt of the pistols will be either after, or at the very tail end of the Obama administration.
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yes it is... one that the girls and girlymen in the bureau are prolly lacking
great target round too...
they gotta stoop to the lowest common denominator
I was basing my assumption on that Billion Bullet order that DHS made for its various components a couple of years ago.
Remember?
I’m pretty sure it specified .357 Sig Hollow Point.
That was 10mm.
Define “outperform.”
you're prolly right, i don't remember now, but that still makes them odd man out if they need ammo outside their own supply chain
and that was what, 20 years ago? the Smith .40 was their own answer to the problem they created with the 10mm i see no valid reason to go back to the 9mm now other than it's still to much for their more delicate shooters
make that more than 30 years ago
BTTT
For 99.9% of the non LEO gun owners, 9mm is more than adequate with non-ball, hollow-point ammo.
Back in the day I could have had my pick .25, .32, .380, .38, .357, .357 sig, 9mm, 10mm, .40, 44, .45, 500 s&w. My choice, any time, but, you know, boats are so unstable these days.
Why in heaven’s name would I even consider carrying a five pound revolver with six shots only, muzzle blast beyond all reason, and a lifetime to reload when I could be carrying a .45?
The only “study” care about was the year and a half I carried an Ithaca 1911A1 and that thing worked each and every time I needed it.
The whole 9mm thing (the same caliber the Germans lost two wars in a row with) is a scam to give females something small enough to handle. You think I’m kidding? I was on the Joint Service Small Arms Program in ‘78 and that’s why the army pushed so hard for the Beretta 92.
Then call me delicate, because I went to 9mm in all my serious pistols.
Beretta pistols work pretty well too. I fixed a lot less M9s than I did M1911s while I was in. I was in the Army when we made the transition and we saw our qualification score improve markedly when we went to the M9 from the M1911A1. You can’t miss fast enough to kill anybody. My point on this thread is that most studies of real shootings show that there is not much difference between the 9 mm and .45 in terms of effectiveness using the new ammo, which is what the FBI will use. Even the Army is considering going to hollow point ammo. It is also easier to train people to shoot a 9mm than a .45 and the 9mm ammo is a lot cheaper. BTW, my S&W 686 .357 revolver holds 7 shots and weighs a bit less than the GI M1911A1. If you use good defensive ammo, the muzzle blast is not too bad either.
i own FOUR 9mm's, that has nothing to do with scrapping millions of taxpayers dollars in .40 weapons for no justifiable cause yet put forth... and they will be scrapped, not resold or reissued but scrapped else why start buying 9mm's and not buy more .40's???
there is a sea change afoot and if not because of the quality of agents unable to be proficient with the .40, then follow the money
For everything else, you're just trying to give the enemy a sporting chance.
".357 defensive loads" are .38 Special, that's all.
Yes, they are just .38 SPL loads with over twice the muzzle energy. You sure do seem to like .45s, good for you.
More lethal
I believe the Geneva convention bans use of anything but ball ammo.
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