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Co-pilot of doomed Russian jet had doubts about plane's safety, wife says
Fox News ^ | November 01, 2015 | Fox News

Posted on 11/01/2015 2:13:05 AM PST by WhiskeyX

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To: WhiskeyX
Investigators so far have indicated the wreckage shows no sign of such an explosion, and the pilot radioed an emergency call citing technical difficulties that is usually inconsistent with a catastrophic explosion.

The Egyptians are denying the reports that there was an emergency call.

They are saying that it broke into pieces while aloft. It's too early to rule out a bomb.

Watch what a few ounces of Semtex can do to a 747:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DNmZlewPhA

81 posted on 11/01/2015 10:34:56 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Okay, thanks. Found out the A/C type earlier. So, 21,000 flights equals 42,000 cycles which is basically half the life of the plane. After all the media guessing is over we’ll find out whether the plane in fact blew apart or whatever ....


82 posted on 11/01/2015 10:52:56 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: silverleaf

How does one believe “pictures?” For the most part. Especially on Twitter.


83 posted on 11/01/2015 11:38:57 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: Spktyr

Never said it did. Only that Telegraph stated “...engines made in USA.”


84 posted on 11/01/2015 11:41:17 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: cynwoody

It was said Lockerbie tragedy was brought about by a baseball size of Semtex. True? False? Average person has no way of knowing for certain.


85 posted on 11/01/2015 11:46:59 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: silverleaf

The innocents always suffer...


86 posted on 11/01/2015 11:49:17 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: Tzfat

I have more than a passing knowledge of the subject, and know enough that the plane is difficult to fly without all the toys and computers working. The pilots do not fly the airplane, they program and input commands to the computer. There is no physical connection between anything in the flight deck and any control or actuator in the airplane. The plane can even be flown via remote control, like a drone, as that is how it operates now, the operator is on board instead of on the ground.

Multiple redundancies and “fail safe” used to be standard in aviation, no more.

Having a 2 week old, brand new aircraft crash and burn while performing nothing more than a low approach on a bluebird day does not instill confidence in a family of airplanes.

Killing over 1600 passengers does not instill confidence, either.

Statistics mean squat to orphans and widows.


87 posted on 11/01/2015 12:18:12 PM PST by wrench
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To: wrench

“Multiple redundancies and ‘fail safe’ used to be standard in aviation, no more.”

This statement puzzles me. When in the history of aviation manufacturing did we go from ‘multiple redundancies and ‘fail safe’ being standard but no more?

Did this happen with one or more than one manufacturer? What is the FAA’s position on this change?


88 posted on 11/01/2015 12:37:00 PM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: wrench
I have more than a passing knowledge of the subject, and know enough that the plane is difficult to fly without all the toys and computers working. The pilots do not fly the airplane, they program and input commands to the computer. There is no physical connection between anything in the flight deck and any control or actuator in the airplane.

I am an airline captain at one of the largest airlines in the world. I have 35 years airline experience. I have flown everything from Douglas, Boeings to Airbus - and surely you know that fly-by-wire is the modern standard: Airbus and Boeing.

It is utterly ridiculous to assert that a pilot in a fly-by-wire is less in control of the aircraft than one using central hydraulic systems. Every jet since 1960 has had artificial feedback. No one flying a jet airliner manufactured after 1970 has had "physical connection between the flight deck and the actuator."

Your "more than passing knowledge of the subject" may be true, but considering that the average poster here is completely and utterly ignorant of modern aviation - and do not even know it, does not make you an expert.

Having a 2 week old, brand new aircraft crash and burn while performing nothing more than a low approach on a bluebird day does not instill confidence in a family of airplane

Your quote here further emphasizes my comments above. I assume you are talking about the crash of Air France 296 in 1988. Anyone with even a passable knowledge of the history of aviation knows that accident was 100% pilot error.
89 posted on 11/01/2015 12:59:23 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737
This statement puzzles me.

Clearly the poster is ignorant, or has an agenda - because his statement is utterly false. Who in the right mind thinks that any manufacturer is cutting corners on safety? That would be business suicide.
90 posted on 11/01/2015 1:01:22 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

Howdy, Tzfat;

I know. I just like to ask questions when I see Bravo Sierra expressed as truth.

It reminds me of the time I was driving to work (aviation related) and there was a news story on the radio about a plane crash. The media screwed up the story big time. Many inaccuracies. I walked into work fuming and fussing about the story.

One of the wise old pilots looked at me at said “You are upset because the media screwed up on a story in which you have a measure of expertise. What about all the stories you swallow as truth on subjects where you have no knowledge?”

That was in 1987. It still haunts me.


91 posted on 11/01/2015 1:46:44 PM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Tzfat

Like I said....didn’t do aircraft.
but...since you asked:

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_power_unit<

An auxiliary power unit (APU) is a device on a vehicle that provides energy for functions other than propulsion. They are commonly found on large aircraft, ....

The GEARBOX transfers power from the main shaft of the engine to an oil-cooled generator for electrical power.


92 posted on 11/01/2015 1:54:45 PM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

I liked the way you did it too.

I remember watching a 60 Minutes hatchet job on general aviation in 1980. Dan Rather is a pilot (kind of) and of course he was so off the facts it was absurd.

I learned then that if they could be so stupid about something I know well, the were likely stupid about things I do not know. I have not trusted the media since. I do my own research about things I do not know.


93 posted on 11/01/2015 1:56:44 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: G Larry

The APU is in the TAIL of every commercial airliner. You could never hear it as a passenger.

The PTU is under the passenger floor. It is found on most large aircraft. It is a hydraulic transfer pump that makes a noise that can be described as “grinding.” Although rarely operating, it is a perfectly normal system, and hearing it indicates the system is working to maintain hydraulic pressure at high transfer times, such at landing gear retraction. Hearing it is not a sign of poor design or poor maintenance.

Thanks for playing the Holiday Inn Express Arm Chair Expert.


94 posted on 11/01/2015 2:04:43 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: WhiskeyX

Now some are believing what the wife of co-pilot complained about to his wife?

Not exactly a scientific or analytic answer.

But is the answer I would expect someone to toss out to muddy the waters.

We will never find out.


95 posted on 11/01/2015 2:05:20 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Rummyfan

Airbus are built in Europe. It was owned by an Irish charter. The maintenance was as good as any other Euro plane.


96 posted on 11/01/2015 2:06:32 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Tzfat

Of one thousand flights I hear this LOUD grinding noise ONCE, and Mr. psychic wants to tell me its normal.

How is it the flight crew knew what I was talking about, eh?


97 posted on 11/01/2015 2:20:00 PM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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