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Gun Rights Advocates Have A Devastating New Argument Against Gun Control. Here It Is.
The Journal -Independent Journal Review ^ | July 2015 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 10/23/2015 12:10:43 PM PDT by Torcert

American gun owners are beginning to respond with a fresh, powerful argument when facing anti-gun liberals. Here it is, in its entirety. Ready?
“Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.”

It’s not exactly a traditional argument, but it’s certainly appropriate here. The fact is that there is no point in arguing with liberal gun-control advocates because their argument is never in good faith.They slander gun owners as murderers. They lie about their ultimate aim, which is to ban and confiscate all privately owned weapons. And they adopt a pose of reasonability, yet their position is not susceptible to change because of evidence, facts or law. None of those matter – they already have their conclusion. This has to do with power – their power.

You can’t argue with someone who is lying about his position or whose position is not based upon reason. You can talk all day about how crime has diminished where concealed carry is allowed, while it flourishes in Democrat blue cities where gun control is tightest. You can point to statistics showing that law-abiding citizens who carry legally are exponentially less likely to commit gun crimes than other people. You can cite examples of armed citizens protecting themselves and their communities with guns. You can offer government statistics showing how the typical American is at many times greater risk of death from an automobile crash, a fall, or poisoning than from murder by gun.

But none of that matters, because this debate is not about facts. It’s about power. The liberal anti-gun narrative is not aimed at creating the best public policy but at disarming citizens the liberal elite looks down upon – and for whom weapons represent their last-ditch ability to respond to liberal overreach.

Put simply, liberal elitists don’t like the fact that, at the end of the day, an armed citizenry can tell them, “No.”

So they argue in bad faith, shamelessly lying, libeling their opponents, and hiding their real endgame. Sure, sometimes the mask slips and a liberal politician like Mike Bloomberg or Diane Feinstein reveals their true agenda, but mostly they stay on-message.

For example, Barack Obama, who always tries to reassure us bitter clingers that he doesn’t want to take our guns, speaks longingly about the Australian plan – which was confiscation of most viable defensive weapons from the civilian population.

Obama is lying – about gay marriage, about your doctor – and he is likewise lying about guns. The minute he could disarm every American civilian he would, something particularly alarming in light of his pal Bill Ayers’ infamous observation that ‘fundamentally transforming’ America would require killing at least 25 million citizens.

No wonder free Americans are done pretending the gun argument is a rational debate and are responding with an extended middle finger – and the challenge to come and take their arms. The fact remains that any outright attempt to take the arms from tens of millions of American gun owners would almost certainly result in a second Civil War. And we all know how the first Civil War went for the Democrats.

So, through a campaign of shaming, dissembling, and outright slander, liberals are trying to talk Americans into giving up their weapons voluntarily. There’s always another “common sense” restriction to enact, spurred on by a tragedy that the last “common sense” restriction didn’t prevent and that the proposed new “common sense” restriction would not have prevented. They want to do it in baby steps, and with our cooperation, since they cannot do it by force.

So until the gun control argument becomes a real argument instead of a transparent power grab, there’s only one appropriate response to liberal gun banners. And it’s similar to “Screw you.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; guns
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To: Torcert

“Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.”-—Then a bullet hole appears in their forehead.


21 posted on 10/23/2015 12:32:38 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Lazamataz

I will argue with them just to illustrate how wrong they are - which doesn’t take long.

Then they just degenerate into acting like children having a temper tantrum.


22 posted on 10/23/2015 12:32:42 PM PDT by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: The Toll

My response to those who want to “do something” about “gun violence”: If you want to avoid truly massive amounts of “gun violence”, don’t even think about coming after mine.

The expressions on their faces are usually priceless.


23 posted on 10/23/2015 12:32:47 PM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Torcert

***They want to do it in baby steps, and with our cooperation, since they cannot do it by force.***

As noted before. One step at a time!

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the POSSESSION OF ALL HANDGUNS, and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — TOTALLY ILLEGAL.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

“Yes, I’m for an outright ban [on handguns].”

-Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., 60 Minutes interview

HCI, around 1984, came out in favor of a ban on semi-auto rifles and shotguns.

If they get their way, anything not banned simply means they will be along shortly to collect the remainder.


24 posted on 10/23/2015 12:33:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: needmorePaine

This is where I am currently. There is no reason to argue with liberals anymore because there is—well—no reason to their arguments.


They’re impossible to deal with. It’s best to tell them to f-— off and go to hell. How dare they want to deny people the ability to protect themselves and their loved ones.


25 posted on 10/23/2015 12:33:45 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: longfellow

You have the right of it, sir.


26 posted on 10/23/2015 12:33:57 PM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Torcert

Plus their “compromises” are fake. You “compromise” by ceding ground, while they compromise by letting you give up less than in their wettest, most fascist dreams. The civil rights ratchet only clicks one direction with them, the wrong one.


27 posted on 10/23/2015 12:34:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain

It will funny if CWII is the South forcing the North and CA back into the Union. LOL!


28 posted on 10/23/2015 12:34:34 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: The Toll

Their game is to try and incrementally chip away at our rights until they can go for the lot of it.

No dice.


29 posted on 10/23/2015 12:35:04 PM PDT by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: Torcert
I have this article saved and whenever I get really pissed off, I go back and read it. "This" was one of those times:

Bloomberg drops $700K in bid to change Virginia Senate makeup

30 posted on 10/23/2015 12:35:18 PM PDT by Qiviut
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To: Torcert

Great argument. Screw you. Come and take it.


31 posted on 10/23/2015 12:35:45 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Duckdog

Sorry about that - I did a search for it and didn’t find anything.

I thought at least it warranted it’s own thread - at least for future reference.


32 posted on 10/23/2015 12:36:39 PM PDT by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: Torcert

They can do whatever they like. If the law doesn’t apply to them, it doesn’t apply to me either. Plus, it’s 2015, word on the street is that in a pinch Russia makes Deliveries.


33 posted on 10/23/2015 12:36:39 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Tzimisce

How true! We both set down at the negotiating table. They want our guns. What do THEY have to bargain with? NOTHING!

They simply want our guns without giving up anything because they have NOTHING to offer up.


34 posted on 10/23/2015 12:36:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Torcert

μολὼν λαβέ


35 posted on 10/23/2015 12:37:09 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: laplata

So liberals who have raised my taxes, taken my freedom, corrupted my culture, belittled my values and mocked and made of me while doing all the above are now nervous that I’m armed.

That’s actually pretty smart of them.

Will we let them disarm us? That remains to be seen. How stupid do you think your fellow citizens are?

I’m disheartened after watching the last 7 years.


36 posted on 10/23/2015 12:37:23 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

They can’t be once you realize that no matter how many times you try to mollify them, they will be back for more.

It’s like clockwork after every mass shooting.


37 posted on 10/23/2015 12:38:09 PM PDT by Torcert (Che Guevara is DEAD - Get Over it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

So liberals who have raised my taxes, taken my freedom, corrupted my culture, belittled my values and mocked and made of me while doing all the above are now nervous that I’m armed.

That’s actually pretty smart of them.

Will we let them disarm us? That remains to be seen. How stupid do you think your fellow citizens are?

I’m disheartened after watching the last 7 years.


38 posted on 10/23/2015 12:38:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Lol!


39 posted on 10/23/2015 12:39:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Torcert

I prefer FYATHYRIO...


40 posted on 10/23/2015 12:39:14 PM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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