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To: Torcert
Steelmanning is the opposite of the strawman fallacy. A steelman argument occurs when one intentionally seeks the best form of the opponent's argument, or deriving the strongest possible position from their current arguments.

I addressed your strongest point...your assertion of civil rights as natural rights when they're not.

45 posted on 10/10/2015 8:40:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Torcert
Natural rights come before civil rights. Civil rights derive from natural rights.

...our God-given and Constitutionally affirmed Civil-Rights...

See? You made them the same when they're not!
God (Nature for atheists) makes natural rights, legislative bodies make civil rights. You said God made civil rights when that is an impossibility.

constitution affirms natural rights
You've discounted natural rights from the outset. It's a most curious thing.

Is it because civil rights can be abridged through legislation whereas natural rights cannot?

Revoking ones right to keep and bear arms would be much simpler to revoke if it were a civil right instead of a natural right.

46 posted on 10/10/2015 9:06:48 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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