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Is There Any Precedent in History for Donald Trump?
Townhall.com ^ | September 29, 2015 | Michael Barone

Posted on 09/29/2015 5:14:51 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Of course... there’s H. Ross Perot.

You idiot, he gave us Bubba.

41 posted on 09/29/2015 6:59:39 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Kaslin

Closest parallel is likely Ross Perot.
If he had been sane he would have been elected in ‘92.


42 posted on 09/29/2015 7:08:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Servant of the Cross

I hit it by accident every once in a while, and b) only for six more months til I retire :)


43 posted on 09/29/2015 7:11:05 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: GailA

Lets hear Trumps Plan for “Single Payer” Insurance before we consign it to Some Socialist Sweaden Plan—Hillary/Romney Healthcare. Lets see the true nuts and bolts of “Trumpcare” before we dump it. I will give him that—Like the Tax Plan—like the Wall and shipping out illegals, Lets see his health care ideas before we brand it a Democrat/Progressive/Stalist ideal.


44 posted on 09/29/2015 7:29:42 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: LS
Go Flyers!

p.s. were you really a rock band drummer for an opening act to Steppenwolf?!

45 posted on 09/29/2015 7:31:58 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Closest parallel is likely Ross Perot.

Others that come to mind are Lyndon LaRouche, John McCain and Bob Backlund.

46 posted on 09/29/2015 7:58:00 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Servant of the Cross
We were "that" close to making it, opening for James Gang, Mother's Finest, Savoy Brown, Steppenwolf, and partying with the Allman Bros. Then our guitar player quit, and we never really replaced his sound.

You can hear two of our songs on the "Rockin' the Wall" soundtrack---two very good ones. "Rampage."

47 posted on 09/29/2015 8:10:01 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS
We were "that" close to making it, opening for James Gang, Mother's Finest, Savoy Brown, Steppenwolf, and partying with the Allman Bros.

My future plans include winning a Pulitzer and writing a history of media bias in the United States.

I will pay to read that book!

48 posted on 09/29/2015 8:29:10 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; LS
I would be interested on your take, and our relevance, on the insider Democrat establishment cronyism and ties that run thru the family, dad and DT.

I would not propose any "take" I have could be as well thought out historically as that of LS or even yourself, both of you being accomplished historians and authors in your own right. But I will be happy to offer you my humble opinion...

I like Trump for his willingness to get out in front of the parade and lead it. He is saying things which need to be said and smashing all sorts of Liberal icons while doing it. The main reason he is able to do this effectively (while other politicians are unable) is precisely because he is himself an icon of the media and successful in the system and has a proven record of accomplishment of surmounting obstacles personally, politically, and financially most could or would not. Having a nice jump start in New York from his family business did not hurt at all.

Raised and living in New York, Trump is very much a product and to a great extent in tow to the Liberal and moneyed establishment which exists there. His father was very successful navigating it as is he. One doesn't become financially successful in a place like New York unless he "plays the game" and especially if it requires constant politician approval - which major real estate development does whether you are in New York or Shanghai. That means giving political and social obeisance (and usually money) to the "right" politicians and interests when required (like the unions and media) and Trump is a master at that. He freely admits it.

That said, he has decided to step outside the box and put much of his financial and social career on the line by opposing just those political forces he habitually kow-tows to. That does take a lot of guts. Apparently Trump has decided sucking up to the likes of political hacks like Abe Beame, Hugh Carey, and the Cuomo Clan has become less important than saving American as a viable entity where he and others can continue to flourish financially and with at least a modicum of personal freedom. Of course, it is his benefactors and past admirers who are quickly ruining the country in their quests for ever more power and wealth.

I think Trump is probably a genuine patriot. His time at NYMA probably cemented that in his youth. My problem with him is I have hardly ever heard him reference the Constitution or pin his goals to the promotion of the liberty and freedom which it represents. "Making America Great Again" is not the same thing as preserving the lodestone and vision of our Constitutional Republic. Perhaps he means the same thing - but a man like Ted Cruz (whom I wholeheartedly support) is one who keeps that vision foremost in his mind and not on some back burner, like Trump seems to do.

That said, I could support Trump as the best alternative if it comes down to that. Going down the same-old same-old road with the Democrats (and whomever they decide to nominate for the next dictator of America) and their worthless GOP-e lickspittles is a losing game.

At least with Trump, there may be a chance we can pull off a Restoration at least partially. With the Liberals/Progressives/Socialists/Communists there is none for most of us who love freedom and liberty and yearn for an America God can once again bless rather than forsake and curse and a country in which we average citizens can pursue our own dreams and once again be proud of.

49 posted on 09/29/2015 8:41:40 AM PDT by Gritty (The question is not will Muslim migrants kill Americans but how many will they kill?-D.Greenfield)
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I agree with everything - especially the good things - but your justification for Trump’s crony ties to liberal politicians give me some heartburn. Yeah, I get it, he’s from NY and he gamed the system. Fine. I understand why. I just don’t buy a crony as the solution to cronyism.

Everything else I agree with.


50 posted on 09/29/2015 8:45:47 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Servant of the Cross

That book is done. The story is that I wrote much of it, based on a hypothesis I had that the media went far left after the JFK assassination. Eventually, while I worked with Jim Kuypers of VA Tech on that, I decided to let him have whatever I already had done and to build on it. I did write the foreword for the book, called “Partisan Journalism” from Rowman and Littlefield.


51 posted on 09/29/2015 9:16:41 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Kaslin

Parallel to Trump? Silvio Berlusconi comes to mind.


52 posted on 09/29/2015 9:32:03 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Kaslin

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Yes!

Teddy Roosevelt steered Wilson into office by dividing the vote, and Ross Perot did the same for Bill Clinton.
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53 posted on 09/29/2015 9:33:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: LS

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>> “We who have run businesses can at least do things better than the idiots who never worked for a living.” <<

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A thought that anyone who has run a business, or even tried to, can echo.
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54 posted on 09/29/2015 9:43:26 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kaslin

Ever hear of the Rockefeller family?


55 posted on 09/29/2015 10:19:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Phlap
You idiot, he gave us Bubba.

TWICE??


56 posted on 09/29/2015 10:20:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I just don’t buy a crony as the solution to cronyism.

I agree Trump is way down among my last choices, maybe ahead of Pataki, Graham, Bush, Kasich, and Christie who either can't or won't do anything and are compromised in their own ways.

Trump would be far from my first choice. No doubt he is a crony and has profited well from it for years. So, at least, are the previous five beholden to their own peculiar ideologies or interests. And no, Trump may not be the "solution". It might only suffice as a stop gap on the way to a solution. It "might" but it would still be a long shot, IMHO.

Pristine wells aren't produced from polluted springs. But we are stuck with the choices we have. We do have a few better choices which we should endeavor mightily to take first. But it makes no sense delivering ourselves directly into the hands of our enemies without fighting with everything at our disposal and Trump happens to be one of the clubs in our arsenal.

57 posted on 09/29/2015 10:55:52 AM PDT by Gritty (The question is not will Muslim migrants kill Americans but how many will they kill?-D.Greenfield)
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To: Gritty

post 57, gotcha....nothing to disagree with in there.


58 posted on 09/29/2015 11:38:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: peyton randolph

Jeb’s glass jaw is far more fragile than Bush 41’s.


59 posted on 09/29/2015 7:07:49 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Phlap

I can think of a number of bombastic “leaders” who came to power then the “people were in abject AGONY...

none it the USA quite yet


60 posted on 09/29/2015 7:12:20 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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