Adding Rod to combine my response to his post 110...
Agreed but one thing must also then be discussed.
If the political elites are blatantly outside the law and fully lawless, then where is the moral obligation for the rest of us—or any of us, to continue to obey they law?
In other words, if they can get away with it, so can we.
And if this holds to be so, then we are finished as the (classical) liberal state of all time, and Jefferson’s words are on the ash heap of history.
I do not know what then will become of America. The elites no doubt will be outraged if we attempt to be as lawless as them, which they no doubt consider it their privilege to do, but not ours, and will use force to compel us to obey.
I will not. I know many more that will not. It is a time and thinking like this that sows rebellions and revolutions. The elites cannot guarantee they will win.
A wise elite would consider allowing Hillary to get away with lawlessness a bridge too far and withdraw, forcing the law to prevail.
My fear, aside from what I’ve already addressed, is that their are no wise elites.
Maybe Trump. May he win!
actually the fact that the elite are above the law could well be the reason for the massive outrage by citizenry and the immense popularity of trump.People are sick and tired of the status quo.they want capitalistic change and a return to our constitution.
Just try it. Unfortunately, that is not the way it works. Life is unfair. And we don't control the levers of power.
And if this holds to be so, then we are finished as the (classical) liberal state of all time, and Jefferson’s words are on the ash heap of history.
We are certainly getting close. I see massive corruption within government, including from the career civil service who have decided to take sides. What is happening at the DOJ, IRS, EPA, etc. is very worrying. We have DOD altering intelligence to fit a political narrative. We have government funding of infanticide without outrage and passion from Congress and the WH. For the GOP-controlled Congress, it is a minor issue not worthy of forcing Obama to shut down the government.
I will not. I know many more that will not. It is a time and thinking like this that sows rebellions and revolutions. The elites cannot guarantee they will win.
This happened before in our history in 1776.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
A wise elite would consider allowing Hillary to get away with lawlessness a bridge too far and withdraw, forcing the law to prevail. My fear, aside from what I’ve already addressed, is that their are no wise elites.
One would think that Obamacare, the two Obama executive amnesties, a rogue, partisan IRS, a SCOTUS that legislates from the bench, an out of control EPA, etc, would trigger a major reaction. The elites have suffered no consequences for their lawlessness. There are no bridges too far.
Maybe Trump. May he win!
It is worth a shot. Things can't get much worse with him. The prospect of a Hillary or Jeb or Rubio is frightening.
The wisdom would have to include how to take down Hillary without taking Bill with her. She probably has too much evidence regarding Bill's dirt to make a clean split between the two.
The only workable solution might be to pull a Rosemary Kennedy on Hillary and lobotomize her. Then she would sound like Joe Biden and nobody would take her seriously.
And if Trump wins, which key will the outgoing administration break off the keyboards? (Like the ‘W’ the outgoing Clinton administration did.)