Pope Francis, "Jesus dying on the cross was a failure" [Revelation 13]

9/25/2015 | Jan Sobieski

[Charles Henrickson]

"his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, in the failure of the cross."

Key words: "humanly speaking." Yes, humanly speaking, the cross did look like an Epic Fail. See Luke 24:19-21. Look, I am no fan of the Pope, and of this Pope in particular. (Full disclosure: I am a confessional Lutheran pastor, LCMS.) But the brief excerpt quoted above is correct, and I have made the same point many times. It's called "the theology of the cross."

[Fantasywriter]

The problem with what the pope said is that he left it at that. Had he added that from God’s perspective it was the ultimate victory, you would have a point.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Muslims would read this quote and say, “Allu Akbar!”

[Resettozero]

Too much is being extrapolated from his quote.

That's what loyal RCs say in regards to practically anything and everything Francis says in any language.

[Arthur McGowan]

Christ’s DEATH was a failure. This is precisely why St. Paul calls it an absurdity for the Greeks and a stumbling block for the Jews.

WE Christians, who know it was not an absolute failure in every respect, see it in relation to the Resurrection. But it was a defeat for God and a victory for sin in a REAL sense, and for a brief time.

As another poster said, there is plenty of stupidity and blindness to be found in what the Pope says without twisting absolutely everything he says, and accusing him of blaspheming when he has done no such thing.

[Fantasywriter]

‘”The great lesson of Easter Day is that a Victor may be judged from a double point of view: that of the world and that of God. From the world’s point of view, Christ failed on Good Friday. From God’s point of view, Christ had won. Those who put Him to death gave Him the very chance He required; those who closed the door of the sepulcher gave Him the very door that He desired to fling open; their seeming triumph led to His greatest victory.”’

Notice the difference between your quote and what Francis said. Yours highlights the truth about the cross being the greatest victory. Francis’ quote emphasized the failure...and left it at that.

[Resettozero]

There is nothing wrong with calling Christ’s death a “failure.” I don’t think the Pope called the Resurrection a “failure.”

You don't explain your first sentence adequately; it just ends without satisfactorily explaining why you said it.

Has anyone accused Francis of calling Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead a "failure". If not, why do you deflect from what he DID say?

[Ann Archy]

But the Pope DIDN”T say it anything like that....THAT would have been understood!!

[Fantasywriter]

‘There is nothing wrong with calling Christ’s death a “failure.” I don’t think the Pope called the Resurrection a “failure.”’

Therein lies the problem. Francis failed to add the part about the Resurrection being the ultimate victory. That is a crucial ommission.

[caww]

.....”Calling Christ’s crucifixion and rising a failure is indeed blasphemy”.....

No Christian would identify in any way with that statement by the Pope Francis.....further any who would attempt at tweaking or reframing what he said to something they could swallow is not on the side of Christ.

The cross was a glorious victory for us because Jesus took our place, bearing our sin on the cross. He paid the price for our redemption. On the cross He paid it all!... (Rev. 22:17).

....At the cross, Jesus drove out Satan, “the prince of this world” (John 12:31-33).

....At the cross, Jesus “disarmed the powers and authorities” (Col. 2:15).

....At the cross, Satan and his unclean spirits were destroyed (Heb. 2:14). .....All these are “coming to nothing” (1 Cor. 2:6), including Satan himself and his demonic leaders (Heb. 2:14).

.... As a result of Calvary, the Resurrection, and the Ascension, Christ is enthroned. He is raised “far above all rule and authority, power and dominion ...And God placed all things under His feet...” (Eph. 1:21-22).

[P-Marlowe]

Of course Christ’s death was a “failure.”

Are you a Mormon?

[Popman]

I agree...he just wasn’t saying the cross was a failure...

Humanly speaking...the savior of world died on the cross...

[Ann Archy]

So.....I’ll ask you again....what do you call your MALE PARENT?

[Arthur McGowan]

In other words, because the Pope is a Bad Man, every syllable and every sentence out of his mouth, no matter what it is, is blasphemy. If he recites the Nicene Creed, every word of it is blasphemy.

I think this is the worst Pope in 300 years, but anyone who insists that this particular statement was blasphemous is just being hysterical.

[southland]

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[The Mayor]

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[Jan_Sobieski]

Do you think that this Pope would quote the defend the Nicene Creed? I honestly wonder...

[Deo volente]

The pope should have said that many of Christ’s followers, as well as His enemies, must have thought initially that His death on the cross was a failure.

He often says things in a way that at first appear outrageous, but are doctrinally sound on further analysis. The trouble is, we shouldn’t have to write volumes to “explain” what the Pope is saying.

[Resettozero]

Christ’s DEATH was a failure.

Here, may I please have your shovel before you dig your hole any deeper?

Your understanding and explanations in your FR posts today do not hold up to rational examination and/or logic.

Do you find it to be easier to mesmerize Catholics than it is to confound other Biblical-trained Christians?

[caww]

The enemy of men’s souls always hides behind a mask of deception. People today are very easily deceived and mis-led because they don’t know what God says nor , in many cases, do they know him....

..”Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away”....2 Tim.3:5

I truly believe that catholics need to think and pray about where Francis is leading the masses.....IMO if they do not leave the church soon what is coming from this Pope and the Vatican leadership will engulf them and they won’t be able to leave.... For some it’s already to late.