Posted on 09/26/2015 11:31:49 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Because it wasn't a failure...Perhaps the disciples at the time thought it to be a failure but they learned better and we know better...
Your pope did not say the disciples thought it was a failure but they were wrong...He let it go that the Crucifixion was a failure, period...And he couldn't be more wrong...
While he is a father, we call him dad...
Isn’t the Christian view that Christ’s death was a success? His death accomplished Christ’s mission of providing atonement — sacrifice and satisfaction — for the sins of the world? Christ’s death was “mission accomplished.” Didn’t he even said so from the cross — “it is finished”, i.e., it is completed?
Maybe people on this thread are being overly analytical and critical of some casual words by the pope, but there’s a lot of pent up frustration among conservatives over what this guy did and didn’t say during his visit. All I know is that Eleanor Clift was in ecstacy about the pope on the McLaughlin Show this week. And I don’t think it’s because she and other liberals heard a message of conversion to orthodox Catholicism.
WE SAW IN CUBA THE REAL POPE BERGOGLIO
In his first address in Philadelphia Pope Francis centered on freedom, but in Cuba Francis showed his hypocrisy and lack of morals when not a single time pronounced the words liberty or freedom. In Cuba we saw the real Pope Bergoglio. While the Pope brags to be the voice of the poor and the oppressed in Cuba he was the voice of the oppressors. Francis visited American prisoners in U.S.; but in Cuba the Pope didn’t want to be a witness to the world on the infra-human conditions in which the Cuban political prisoners live.
Francis beg for a meeting with Fidel Castro with was described by the Vatican as very friendly and familiar while he did not accept to receive a representation of the pacific dissidents of the Stalinist regime who are the true voice of the enslaved Cuban people. At the end of the meeting with Castro the Pope expressed publicly his deep appreciation for the genocide of the Cuban people who after 56 years make a country that had the higher standard of living in Latin America in 1959 to the poorest and most oppressed in the history of this hemisphere.
As professor Carlos Eire stated: "As Newsweek has observed, seventeen years ago in his homily in Havana, John Paul II mentioned “freedom” seventeen times and “justice” thirteen times. In his homily, Francis did not mention “freedom” or “justice” once. All that Francis said about Cubans was that they are “a people which has its wounds, like every other people.” In other words, Francis told Cubans that they are no worse off than any other people on earth after fifty-six years of economic and political repression, and that they really have nothing to complain about. The closest he came to upbraiding the Castro regime or to calling for an end to the enslavement of the Cuban people was to say: “service is never ideological, for we do not serve ideas, we serve people.”
This Pope churns out lies from morning to night.
His statement that, humanly speaking, the death of Christ constituted “failure” is not one of them.
The people trying to make hay out of this particular statement are revealing themselves to be anti-Catholic bigots and hysterics.
Oh please Arthur. The Cross was the greatest victory in human history, with the victory belonging to Jesus Christ. It is described specifically in those terms in the Bible. Paul wrote of the Cross as this. Either “papa” was trying to dismiss Christ’s victory over sin, death, Hell, and Satan before this primarily Muslim audience, or he is completely ignorant of the foundation of Christendom. The charges of “Catholic bigotry” thrown about these days have the same moral standing as gangs shouting “Black Lives Matter” during riots.
THIS GUY IS THE ANTI-POPE.
It seems these really are the end times.
More -- since Jesus dying on the Cross was GOD'S plan, the Anti-Pope just called GOD a failure.
This is breathtaking blasphemy.
Yes it is. Christ's death was God's plan, and is our redemption.
To call Chris's death "failure" is to directly call God's plan failure.
Humanly speaking, the crucifixion of Christ was our redemption.
That's not a failure, no matter how you slice it. It was God's PLAN.
Heck, Jesus knew it was coming and petitioned His Father for a revision, in the Garden, until He realized it was the plan.
Don't call it a failure, bro. You PC, bro?
It was the Plan of God the Father for God the Son to die on the Cross and foretold in the Psalms.
Yup.
When you know you have lost the argument, you can always shut down the discussion by calling your opponent a bigot.
Sorry Padre. You lose.
All three of you have distorted what the Pope said, in order to make it absurd and heretical. That is the evidence that you are bigots.
The Pope said that HUMANLY SPEAKING, the death of Jesus was “failure.” That is, he DIED, and IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, that is defeat, or failure.
The WHOLE POINT of Christ’s suffering and death was that it was, IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD, and IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, a defeat at the hands of a SINFUL WORLD. The DEVIL and the WORLD had a TEMPORARY VICTORY. Every Christian theologian who has ever lived has called Christ’s death a temporary victory for a sinful world over the Son of God.
You have all twisted the Pope’s statement, claiming that the Pope said that Christ’s death was IN ALL RESPECTS a failure.
You are all anti-Catholic bigots, and the evidence of your bigotry is in black-and-white, in your posts. You can never erase it.
If your understanding of Jesus' mission was political instead of spiritual, then the statement makes sense. Apparently this left wing political hack Pope thinks like Judas did; that Jesus came to be a political leader and to set up a political paradise and the cross cut his mission short.
If you hold a secular view of Christ (as apparently this Pope does) then you have to conclude that since Jesus didn't end poverty and bring peace and stop climate change, that Jesus was a failure and idiots like the Pope have taken up the cause to fix what Jesus couldn't.
When you take that statement in context of Frank's sermons on leftist politics, it becomes clear that Pope anti-Christ really thinks his mission is to do what Jesus was incapable of doing.
You go RIGHT AHEAD and back this Marxist, anti-Christian scumbag. LOL!
But THIS GUY, he's not a Pope. He's a Community Organizer in a funny hat.
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