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In Unit Stalked by Suicide, Veterans Try to Save One Another
New York Times ^ | Sept 19, 2015 | DAVE PHILIPPS

Posted on 09/21/2015 7:18:06 AM PDT by huldah1776

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To: huldah1776
"I wonder, did you all stay together for the whole time like Band of Brothers? Are the 7 month or 1 year tours and transfers a part of the issue?

Well thanks for those hugs. I'll tell my 86 year old wife of your intent! Overseas we served together. It was an assignment to serve continuously for the duration and 6 months. I was on the younger side but some guys were there for years. After Europe we were awaiting continuing in the Pacific but good old Harry dropped the bomb to end it and come home.

41 posted on 09/21/2015 9:28:05 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: huldah1776

I’m well...just being a mom. My son is too, for the most part..he says God, a sense of humor and staying in touch with his buddies keeps him sane. My lament isn’t so much for him, but the bureaucracy and real incompetence at the VA is shameful.

Regardless, it’s an interesting article despite coming from the NYT!


42 posted on 09/21/2015 9:30:06 AM PDT by SE Mom (God, restore our beloved country, amen.)
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To: SE Mom

Give him a hug for me.


43 posted on 09/21/2015 9:38:16 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Resolute Conservative

“The prior generations faced the same horrors as do these men and lived with it, so we have to identify what is the glaring difference.”

Prior generations had decent rules of combat .
Today these guys are under constant threat from the higher ranks for protecting themselves .


44 posted on 09/21/2015 9:47:23 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: GBA

This is exactly why so many are coming home under such stress


45 posted on 09/21/2015 9:48:26 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: huldah1776

I suspect we’re just a weaker culture these days. We’re led to believe that it’s our right to be safe and comfortable and appreciated. War is none of those things. So the contrast between the adrenalin-pumped battlefield and the cozy world of Wal-Mart and soccer games is much more pronounced. And I wonder how many troops return home wondering how in the heck all that bad stuff could have happened to them? Where do they go to get THAT answer, with God out of the picture?


46 posted on 09/21/2015 9:52:05 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: DesertRhino

I knew someone years ago who had at one time owned a successful business and had a wife and family and had even been a founder of a small church. He lost all that because he couldn’t leave alcohol alone and wound up working for every little business that would give him any kind of a job, never lasting long at any of them. He told me once that he came home to his apartment where he lived alone one day and went to the closet and picked up his twelve guage which he kept loaded, put the barrel to his head and pulled the trigger, he heard the firing pin snap on an empty chamber and threw the gun across the room by reflex as he realized what he had just done. He KNEW he had loaded the gun and there was no way he had unloaded it. Then he remembered that he had given a spare door key to a friend in case of emergency. He picked up the phone and called the guy and asked him if he had been in his apartment. He said the other fellow replied with a question, “What’s the matter, your shotgun didn’t go off?”

My older brother used to talk about someone he knew who told a story about deciding to kill himself. The man said he took a drink or two to calm his nerves while he thought about how to do it and decided to hang himself. He said he
figured that he could go into his attic, hang a noose from the ridgeboard at the peak of the roof and step off the joists onto the sheetrock ceiling which would of course shatter resulting in his death of a broken neck if he had the drop calculated correctly. By the time he thought it through he was apparently getting a little drunk and when he imagined his wife coming home and finding his body hanging down through a hole in the ceiling it struck him funny and he started laughing and he said he changed his mind and never really got to that point again.

In the one case alcohol cost the man everything except his life and that only because someone unloaded his gun, in the other it would seem that alcohol may have been the only thing that stopped him from suicide.

I have read that people are most likely to kill themselves soon after arising in the morning, I still remember a neighbor about half a mile from us who got up early one morning, stepped outside, stood next to the old house and put a shotgun to his head and pulled the trigger. I think I was twelve at the time. I have known a number of others over my seventy one years who have done something similar.


47 posted on 09/21/2015 10:22:50 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

If anyone is contemplating suicide they should never do anything without talking to someone on a veteran hotline first. You never know what is around the river bend. So many times going somewhere I for the first time I turn around thinking I have gone too far but if I had just gone a little farther I would have reached my destination (my car does u-turns by itself now). For me, I had no one and no one knew. It was half my lifetime ago. Finding them is crucial.


48 posted on 09/21/2015 10:24:26 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: DesertRhino

Another thing that I found with symptoms of suicide is one friend will see one and someone else another, etc., but putting the puzzle pieces together takes communication. We lack the small town everybody knows your name community.


49 posted on 09/21/2015 10:27:46 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

If anyone here knows of a vet who needs help, this is an amazing organization. They haven’t lost a vet yet: http://ptsdusa.org/camp-hope/


50 posted on 09/21/2015 2:19:20 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Good find. If you use FB you could share with other groups, especially Stop Soldier Suicide.


51 posted on 09/21/2015 2:49:20 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: DesertRhino

.......well, I “think” you and I are essentially saying the same thing.

I’m sure not saying don’t try. I just think our government has proven without a doubt that it cannot count to 3 on anything much less stop suicide in the military.

I think privately funded support of some kind is what is needed.


52 posted on 09/21/2015 6:42:03 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: huldah1776

......excellent and most prescient thoughts! Thanks!


53 posted on 09/21/2015 6:46:29 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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