[[You are making the classic cultist mistake of imposing the physical laws of this realm upon the supernatural.]]
And you’re not? You claim wen a parable is told the ‘
rule is’ the one doing the telling must use ‘real things’
[[How could the res. Lord come thru closed doors and then eat food? Where did it go to?.]]
Are you claiming that people in hell can speak with those in heaven across a great distance (or at all for that matter)?
[[The more you try to defend cultic doctrine then the more you are exposed as a vain sophist, and now a blasphemer,]]
Lol- now I’m a blasphemer- my goodness- what a wretch I am - please explain how stating Christ is turning a MYTH around on the Pharisees is blasphemy- You’re making some pretty nasty accusations-
[[Christ gave no indication that He was using a myth, ]]
Where in God’s word is there a command that He had to?
[[Wrong : He would be deceiving people or mistaken if He was teaching the mustard seed was the smallest in the whole world, as it is necessary for the physical example which represents the spiritual reality to be true if the latter is to be held as true in the analogy. ]]
Wrong- He stated, as recorded by the apostles, that the mustard seed was the smallest seed- your explanation doesn’t even make sense - He stated something that was not true- He did so as a means of speaking about what the people knew- or believed- the point stands-
[[WRONG! Christ was not teaching the mustard seed was the smallest seed out of every seed on the earth,]]
he wasn’t? Please cite where He clarifies for His listeners- My bible doesn’t contain such a statement of clarification- perhaps your does?
[[Thus the context is local, which is like saying in America, “the dime is the smallest of coins.” Thus the Lord was not teaching a scientific fallacy to illustrate a point, but was teaching a known fact in the realm that this was restricted to]]
Sorry- that isn’t what the verse says- The statement is that it’s the smallest seed- AFTER claiming it’s a seed that is planted- You’re stretching the word-
[[and the Lord never had occasion to use science fiction.]]
Sure He did- when confronting pharisees who were teaching a false doctrine-
[[Then stop posting absurdities, if not then you should be done with me as i am fed up with them!]]
Good for you- Would have been nice had you made a comment with the caveat that no one was able to have a difference of opinion because you can’t handle discussing things in a civil manner-
[[How could the res. Lord come thru closed doors and then eat food?]]
The resurrected Lord had a physical body- Are you suggesting those in hell have physical bodies but are able to suspend physical laws as did God?
[[Give it up even if only for the sake of your eternal soul!]]
OSAS-
[[The more your try the more desperate and absurd you are exposed to be.]]
How about addressing the points brought up instead of constantly ignoring them and concentrating on attacking my character?
[[Wrong, for all the Scriptural reasons given. Real names were never used in parable and the Lord never used any non-existent place or experience as representing reality, including in metaphors.]]
There ya go- Now please point to a scriptural passage that states this must always be the case? This is your only defense- which you state over and over- which basically boils down to this
“Because it’s never been done before, it can’t ever be done because, well... that’s the rule” That’s it- that’s all you’ve said basically-
[[and thus Christ went to Paradise the day of His death, ]]
Paradise huh? Care to show where the bible speaks of Him DESCENDING into paradise
Since that is what the Lord always did, versus using science fiction, and used something that really exists to represent something that really exists, which is fitting, then it appears the Lord followed that as a principle, while you have zero examples for your science fiction.
Wrong- He stated, as recorded by the apostles, that the mustard seed was the smallest seed- your explanation doesn’t even make sense - He stated something that was not true-
Blasphemy repeated! You have God teaching scientific error, which no parable does or can, which you compel Christ to teach in the interest of supporting your premise that He taught science fiction!
And my explanation makes much sense, that the mustard seed was the smallest "which a man took, and sowed in his field," as that is what preceded that, and is indeed like saying in America, "the dime is the smallest of coins." In the frame of reference of the people the Lord was speaking to, then this was actually considered the least of the seeds.
While the Lord did not do so in His parables, the Lord could have spoken phenomenologically, that is, descriptive of what they actually saw in effects, as in the sun rising, which it actually does regards the image of it rising in the sky. Which is not the same as teaching as real what does not occur even as regards visible effects.
That this does not even make sense to you is consistent with your desperate defense of Christ teaching science fiction in Lk. 16, since according to you and your cult reference such a place and experience never existed.
Lol- now I’m a blasphemer- my goodness- what a wretch I am
That you laugh at having God teach scientific error if consistent with teaching Lk. 16:19031 is a myth, and your handling of the word of God in vainly trying to defend.
God cannot err, and telling a story which teaches something about a physical reality that is not true is a error. Again, the parables of the Lord are fictitious stories which He use real physical things which represent real spiritual realities. Being wrong about the mustard seed being the smallest seed - which He would be if He was referring to all the seeds of the earth, versus what was sowed the local realm - would be as contrary to Divinity, as would saying the ten virgins were women pregnant by men.
[[Christ gave no indication that He was using a myth, ]]
Where in God’s word is there a command that He had to?
He did not, but that would be consistent with His use of parables, in which He (again) He never taught error about a physical item that He used as representing a spiritual reality. You vainly attempt to argue for an exception without any Scriptural precedent, and lacking any, you invoked a extraBiblical story and claimed that was the precedent! Yet aspects of which the Lord corrected,. Next then you have Christ teaching an error in earthly science! The issue is not what Christ could do but what you must do, which is to be consistent with what He always did do.
[[WRONG! Christ was not teaching the mustard seed was the smallest seed out of every seed on the earth,]]
he wasn’t? Please cite where He clarifies for His listeners- My bible doesn’t contain such a statement of clarification- perhaps your does?
Are you blind or obtuse? "The text says The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which a man took, and sowed in his field. Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs." (Mt. 13:31,32) Mark add "in the soil," but the "sowed in his field" places it their known context, like as my analogy to a dime would.
And it is likely some did not know that there were smaller seeds, such as the orchid seed, nor that it is not the greatest among herbs.and thus would be misled, not about a hidden spiritual truth, but that the Son of God could be counted on to teach scientific fact.
The statement is that it’s the smallest seed- AFTER claiming it’s a seed that is planted- You’re stretching the word-
No, as what precedes it defines what realm He referring to, and there are no commas or periods in the the earliest Greek manuscripts we have access to. You sure seem determined to make the Son of God teach error. Maybe you think He is a created being like the cult you referenced.
[[and the Lord never had occasion to use science fiction.]]
Sure He did- when confronting pharisees who were teaching a false doctrine-
Wrong again, as that is begging the question, presuming the very thing that must be proved, and is not.
[[Then stop posting absurdities, if not then you should be done with me as i am fed up with them!]]
Good for you- Would have been nice had you made a comment with the caveat that no one was able to have a difference of opinion because you can’t handle discussing things in a civil manner-
I am slow to wrath, but doctrine is life, and the Lord also reproved error in harsh terms
The resurrected Lord had a physical body- Are you suggesting those in hell have physical bodies but are able to suspend physical laws as did God?
The point, as said, was that physical laws simply do not apply in the spiritual realm. Get it or deny it. Take your pick.
How about addressing the points brought up instead of constantly ignoring them and concentrating on attacking my character?
What you think I have been doing, despite your complaints, and your continued attempts to defend the indefensible premise of the Lord teaching science fiction, which lead to claiming He taught error in science, warrant such reproof.
here ya go- Now please point to a scriptural passage that states this must always be the case?
Here ya go- Now please point to a scriptural passage that states this you can claim an exception to a consistence practice when you have no precedent, except to claim the very thing that must be proved is it?
“Because it’s never been done before, it can’t ever be done because, well... that’s the rule” That’s it- that’s all you’ve said basically-
And which is the protest of Catholics defending the sinlessness of Mary, arguing God could do this and "all" is not always inclusive of all. As if God, whose practice is record far less notable exceptions to the norm of lesser characters, and at least thrice states that Christ did no sin, would not record that Mary was without actual sin.
Paradise huh? Care to show where the bible speaks of Him DESCENDING into paradise
That is easy, and you should know it. "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43) And if you try the absurd argument of the cult your invoked, that the Lord is saying "Verily I say unto thee To day," as if He needed to differentiate btwn today and tomorrow, and contrary to other uses of "to day," then I will consider you further deceived.