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Russia's Lethal T-90 Tank vs. ISIS' Captured M1 Abrams: Who Wins?
nationalinterest.org ^ | September 15, 2015 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 09/16/2015 10:35:36 AM PDT by Trumpinator

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To: hosepipe
-90 vs. Warthog(A-10).. WHO wins?.

Why do you think Washington wants to do away with the A-10?

21 posted on 09/16/2015 11:14:44 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Trumpinator
But even then, the Iraqi Army is losing to ISIS not because of its equipment, but because it lacks the discipline, tactics, training and procedures to fight and win.

Right. It doesn't matter what kind of tank you have if you're just going to jump out of it and run away.

22 posted on 09/16/2015 11:14:47 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I think our insurgent-terrorist-occupied-gubmint wants to cancel the A-10 because it is too effective.. too American.. Works too well against Islamists.


They probably already SOLD/Gave the plans to Russia and China.. maybe even Iran..


23 posted on 09/16/2015 11:15:04 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: PAR35

Why do you think Washington wants to do away with the A-10?


Because it’s NOT EXPENSIVE to make?.. keep.. have.. operate or deploy..

It’s TOO effective..


24 posted on 09/16/2015 11:17:16 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Trumpinator

Tanks require an extensive supply and maintenance infrastructure in order to be effective. Not to mention training and leadership.


25 posted on 09/16/2015 11:18:05 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: grania

Good question, those aren’t exactly maintenance free machines. But with all the money ISIS has sloshing around from their oil production network, which we also haven’t bombed, i would guess they can pay top money for technicians.


26 posted on 09/16/2015 11:19:18 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: hosepipe

At church a few months ago, a discussion began after church about what would happen if one of the Abrams on the nearby base went rogue. A couple of tank commanders were called over and they speculated that either several Abrams would go after it or helicopters and/or Warthogs would be called in. One of the commanders said that ‘you sure don’t want a Warthog hunting you.’ The other commander nodded in enthusiastic agreement.


27 posted on 09/16/2015 11:19:41 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Ohioan

There is a whole lot of “win/win” for Putin in Syria no matter what angle you ascribe to his machinations.


28 posted on 09/16/2015 11:20:49 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: smokingfrog

Very true. But still, every ISIS tank should be blown up just on general principle.


29 posted on 09/16/2015 11:22:58 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Vendome

If there were a SERIOUS air campaign, no bomb loads would return.

Even if they had to drop them on the Turks, who are engaged only in suppressing and harassing the Kurds, the most effective anti-ISIS military force operating in the area.

Now, if you wanted to take out M1A1 Abrams tanks, being strafed by A-10 Warthogs armed with a General Dynamics GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm cannon, mounted in the nose of the aircraft, is exceptionally effective.

Using the cannon, the A-10 is capable of disabling a main battle tank from a range of over 6,500m. The cannon can fire a range of ammunition, including armour-piercing incendiary rounds (API) weighing up to 0.75kg, or uranium-depleted 0.43kg API rounds.

The magazine can hold 1,350 rounds of ammunition. The pilot can select a firing rate of 2,100 or 4,200 rounds a minute.

One one- or two-second burst is generally enough to open up even the most heavily armored vehicle.

In addition, the A-10 carries a number of different configurations for missiles, including air-to-surface Mavericks, and air-to-air Sidewinders, capable of Mach-2.

Also a wide range of ordnance: for example, the LDGP mk82 226kg, 500lb general-purpose bombs, BLU-1 and BLU-27/B Rockeye II cluster bombs and the cluster bomb unit CBU-52/71.

Why we do not have some 200 of these deployed to the near area to Syria right now, is a continuing puzzle.


30 posted on 09/16/2015 11:24:48 AM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
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I doubt it was a T90 tank. Besides, we have the whole support chain for our tanks. What does ISIS have? Warm bodies to sit (and die) in the tank?


31 posted on 09/16/2015 11:29:52 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: DesertRhino

They should have put hidden GPS tracking on all that stuff so we could destroy at will.


32 posted on 09/16/2015 11:33:07 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DesertRhino

Given the reliability record of the Lycoming turbine in the M-1, ISIS better have some top notch aircraft mechanics and access to OEM spare parts or they will be a stationary gun emplacement in short order.


33 posted on 09/16/2015 11:36:31 AM PDT by nascarnation (C. Edmund Wright says I'm a moron)
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To: Trumpinator

I think much of the success of American Abrams tanks is attributed to their being networked, complete with drone feeds into their intel system, such that everybody can see the battlespace. I doubt ISIS has anything remotely similar. But it would be surprising if the Russians don’t have this technology. It’s been around a long time.

The number of tanks the Russians have in theater so far is just a bare minimum for force protection. They don’t want to be caught in a Blackhawk Down scenario the way Clinton did.


34 posted on 09/16/2015 11:40:33 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: alloysteel
Why we do not have some 200 of these deployed to the near area to Syria right now, is a continuing puzzle.

Because the Air Force wants to get rid of the Warthog and replace it with something less effective and more expensive.

35 posted on 09/16/2015 11:42:29 AM PDT by rivercat
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To: Vendome

ROE’s that result any any enemy injuries are out for sure. What was I thinking?
Go Trump Go. (Not who I’d pick given my druthers, but he understands winning. You can’t “tie” with ISIS.)
Oldplayer


36 posted on 09/16/2015 11:50:00 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: NonValueAdded

I doubt if any have been destroyed.


37 posted on 09/16/2015 12:00:15 PM PDT by mcshot (We have but our word and honor - 0 has 0.)
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To: Trumpinator

This article says the artillery is self-propelled.

I’d say the Russians look pretty serious.


38 posted on 09/16/2015 12:04:51 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Trumpinator
But even then, the Iraqi Army is losing to ISIS not because of its equipment, but because it lacks the discipline, tactics, training and procedures to fight and win.

Very true. But, won't the ISIS crews will abandon their stolen tanks and sell THOSE to the Russians/Syrians/Iranians instead?

39 posted on 09/16/2015 1:19:25 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I also think Iraqi troops left because they joined up for a meal ticket and don’t feel like fighting what is probably very scary and demented guys who want to die in a blazing gunfight over a population they probably hate anyway (Shi’ites are mostly in military and ISIS took over Sunni lands).


40 posted on 09/16/2015 1:22:06 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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