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To: DiogenesLamp
The Framers of the 14th were idiots compared to the founders

I think if you read the original Constitution of the United States or the Bill or Rights, you'll find plenty of provisions that have "no clearly defined limits or boundaries." For example, the 14th Amendment's "due process of law" duplicated the 5th Amendment's "due process of law." And, what famous decisions interpreted "due process of law" in a rather extravagant way to help find a supposed "right of privacy" therein? Constitutions commonly use broad, somewhat vague terms for various obvious reasons. It's really not fair to hold drafters responsible for crazy interpretations

But, I want you to notice that you seem to prefer to blame the 14th Amendment (from the 1860's) rather than the misuse of that amendment in the 21st century. Do you think it possible that you do that because of your strong feelings about Lincoln and because you think that the 14th Amendment is easier to associate with Lincoln than a 21st century misinterpretation of the amendment?

Look at that stretch you're making, all because you have been wanting to blame Lincoln for homosexual marriage. As I've said before, that connection is very dubious. (In fact, you really cannot even properly blame Lincoln for the 14th Amendment.)

But you keep swinging at those bad pitches! :-)

37 posted on 09/09/2015 9:30:28 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
But, I want you to notice that you seem to prefer to blame the 14th Amendment (from the 1860's) rather than the misuse of that amendment in the 21st century. Do you think it possible that you do that because of your strong feelings about Lincoln and because you think that the 14th Amendment is easier to associate with Lincoln than a 21st century misinterpretation of the amendment?

I do that because when you track abortion to Roe V Wade, it asserts the 14th is it's basis. When you track the banning of prayer in public schools and the excising of religion in government buildings and ceremonies, that too tracks back to the 14th.

The "Gay" marriage things is a deliberate application of the "equal protection" clause. And so on.

Pick any subject regarding which the court decisions are wrecking the society, and you will find most of them are a consequence of the 14th amendment.

I figured this out long before I had any interest in learning more about the civil war. I started with abortion and worked my way backwards. Same on a lot of other subjects. A bunch of this modern crap converges on that point in history.

Look at that stretch you're making, all because you have been wanting to blame Lincoln for homosexual marriage. As I've said before, that connection is very dubious. (In fact, you really cannot even properly blame Lincoln for the 14th Amendment.)

This is like a guy racing his car out of control, hitting a fence, crashing into a house and setting it on fire. You are trying to say the fire is the result of actions beyond his control, and that his driving had nothing to do with it.

No, Lincoln's driving is definitely responsible for the crash and subsequent fire which burned through what were then established legal principles.

38 posted on 09/09/2015 10:52:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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