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To: Shelayne
And just so there's no mistake here, if her position was "I follow the laws of the State of Kentucky and the federal incursion is unlawful under the 9th Amendment", that I would have her back on. That is a lawful position for a government employee to take.

However, that is not her actual position. Her actual position is "The court order bids me to act in my official capacity in a way that conflicts with my personal religious beliefs." That can't be permitted.

As a government actor she cannot overrule the law in the course of her duties based on her personal beliefs - else, what are we bitching about Lois Lerner et al for? Lerner's acts were based on using the power of her government position to the ends of her own personal beliefs.

As we all acknowledge, Lerner's assertion that the Fifth Amendment (a private citizen's right) covered her actions as a government actor is grossly offensive and inverts the very purpose of that right. In the same way, Davis' actions as a government actor inverts the purpose of the First Amendment right to freedom of religion. These freedoms exist to protect private citizens from government interference; they are not levers by which a government actor may cover crimes (in Lerner's case) or defy the law (in both cases).

54 posted on 09/04/2015 3:01:28 PM PDT by Nep Nep
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To: Nep Nep

What she is modestly calling “personal religious beliefs” have a larger stature in classic American political and legal thought. She, in fact, is believing in the same God, with the same standards, that the Founders acknowledged.

If anything she’s too weak about it here. She has the right to say this is wicked in the absolute and there is a long line of reasoning that such “law” is simply invalid.

Saying it’s about the money is kind of laughable. I don’t imagine Kentucky state clerks get a king’s ransom and the likely upshot of this if she keeps it up would be to get dismissed by legislative action.

So anyhow, millions of people now agree she is standing up against what is wicked. And really she is, even if not with quite the words that might please you and me.


58 posted on 09/04/2015 3:21:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Nep Nep

There is no Kentucky state same sex marriage law nor is there a Federal same sex marriage law. The judge issued an unlawful order and jailed her for not obeying his unlawful order. Kim Davis is abiding by Kentucky Sate law. Find out the facts before making false statements...maybe read the statements at the link provided and other links in the thread and learn the facts of what is actually going on.


68 posted on 09/04/2015 4:12:55 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Nep Nep

“And just so there’s no mistake here, if her position was “I follow the laws of the State of Kentucky and the federal incursion is unlawful under the 9th Amendment”, that I would have her back on. That is a lawful position for a government employee to take.”

I think you have missed the fact that this particular discussion isn’t related to any man made laws, whether of Kentucky or the Federal Government. Perhaps you missed the meaning of the phrase “It’s a Heaven or Hell decision.”


145 posted on 09/05/2015 6:08:11 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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