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Federal Judge Says He’s Above Natural Law as He Tosses Clerk Kim Davis in Jail [terrifying quote]
PJ Media ^ | 9/3/15 | Scott Ott

Posted on 09/03/2015 5:41:30 PM PDT by markomalley

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. She’s an elected official, and can’t be fired except by voters in her county, so a federal judge had her thrown in jail today. I expected as much. Any true civil-disobedience act must come with the willingness to bear the legal consequences of your extra-legal behavior. Davis politely thanked the judge before being carted off to the clink.

If it were me, I also would have submitted to the governing authority, but not without a resounding “SAY WHAT, YOUR HONOR?!” after he said this…

“The idea of natural law superceding [sic] this court’s authority would be a dangerous precedent indeed,” U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning told Rowan County clerk Kim Davis.

Actually, your honor, the sovereignty of natural law over man-made authority is a founding principle — a starting point of the underlying political theory — of our constitutional republic. These United States separated from the British monarchy because we were entitled to by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” and not subservient to the alleged divine right of kings, nor to an imperious Parliament.

We ordained and established a Constitution of enumerated powers, not of general legislative authority, and “We, the People” gave Congress authority to legislate only within the powers granted in the Constitution. The rest belongs to the states, to the people and, obviously, to the great lawmaker and judge of us all.

Not only does natural law supersede the court’s authority, the judge’s authority is utterly dependent upon the existence of such a law, and — whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not — upon the authority of God.

This is not to say that each individual person may decide what natural law (or God’s law) shall be for the entire republic. But it certainly does not mean that a federal judge’s authority supersedes the law of God, or “natural law.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; fagfascist; firstamendment; gaykk; gaytyrants; homofascism; homosexualagenda; judgebunning; kentucky; kimdavis; naturallaw
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To: BenLurkin
That being the case, the best (indeed only) guidance we have for applying “natural law” to current day controversies — is to apply The Law.

The Nazis also applied "The Law."

It wasn't very natural.

81 posted on 09/03/2015 7:34:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: markomalley

They know full well we shall not defend our faith.


82 posted on 09/03/2015 7:43:10 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I voted for Mitt. The lesser of 2 evils religious argument put a black nationalist in the W.H.)
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To: JusPasenThru

“The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity.”

~ Abraham Lincoln (source: the Internet)


83 posted on 09/03/2015 7:46:16 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: markomalley

Great post!


84 posted on 09/03/2015 7:57:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Godebert
"Judge" Bunning is a Declaration denier.

Tar, feathers & rail.

85 posted on 09/03/2015 8:04:28 PM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: markomalley

Can a federal or state judge rule that people can not cross the border and enter into the United States illegally (current law of the land) and then jail anyone that does for contempt of court?

If not, why not. Law of the land, and all.


86 posted on 09/03/2015 8:09:11 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Olog-hai
I wonder what kind of expression Bunning’s face will wear when he has to face the Founding Fathers in the Judgment, never mind the Judge Himself.

I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers will be curb-stomping his Progressive melon during the bloody beatdown...

87 posted on 09/03/2015 8:09:44 PM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: markomalley

“The time for war has not yet come, but it will come, and that soon; and when it does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard.”

General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson


88 posted on 09/03/2015 8:12:58 PM PDT by jcwky (When the Gov't becomes lawless, it makes criminals of it's citizens...)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
I reckon he wanted to exercise his "authority" and try and force her to do something against her religious principles and beliefs. Otherwise he had a simpler solution of simply firing her or a retraining order to prevent her from entering her office causing a temporary clerk to be appointed.

Contempt of Court is all too often misused by judges to force persons to violate their conscience and all to often only tell the court only what they want to hear. Truth and justice are the last things found in courtrooms today. If a person spent even an hour outside a courtroom before court started for the day they would likely see just what a farce it has become. Persons are to to give sound bites from scripted testimony of partial truth.

She's got guts. A lot more guts than the two U.S. Senators and governor from her state. They should hang their heads in shame but they were never taught to be ashamed it seems.

Signed,
A found in Contempt of Court Whole Truth Teller LOL.

89 posted on 09/03/2015 8:13:06 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: markomalley

[[Actually, your honor, the sovereignty of natural law over man-made authority is a founding principle — a starting point of the underlying political theory — of our constitutional republic. These United States separated from the British monarchy because we were entitled to by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” and not subservient to the alleged divine right of kings, nor to an imperious Parliament.]]

Well said!


90 posted on 09/03/2015 8:27:17 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: a fool in paradise

[[so called conservative politicians and commentators are saying that she’s in the wrong because the rule of law must stand.]]

Yeah, aint fox news grand? “Fair and balanced’ ya know (except more andm ore they side with the liberals)


91 posted on 09/03/2015 8:29:00 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: blueunicorn6

[[I haven’t even heard of one outside these spectacles.]]

Oh they are happening, even in small towns- they are usually quiet events- but they are happening- I was shocked to hear how many have taken place in my small conservative town already-


92 posted on 09/03/2015 8:32:05 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: blueunicorn6

You asked about knowing of one, not attending one.
Just being annoyingly precise as usual.


93 posted on 09/03/2015 8:33:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: markomalley
The Washington, Jefferson & Madison Institute - Natural Law Principles
"The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" -- are the foundation of the political principles of American independence.  As set forth in the writings of Locke, Sidney, and others, it means that nature has inherent laws by which each individual has a conscience, accountability for one’s actions, and a duty to not harm others or their property.  Thomas Jefferson and James Madison stated that “the general principles of liberty and rights of man in nature and society” are to be found in the writings of John Locke and Algernon Sidney (Minutes of the Board of Governors of the University of Virginia, March 4, 1825). Following is a brief summary of natural law principles found in their writings and in the Declaration of Independence:

“All men are created equal” – all men and women as individuals are equal in their natural rights and equal before the law.

“…all men by Nature are equal, I cannot be supposed to understand all sorts of Equality: Age or Virtue may give Men a just Precedency: Excellency of Parts and Merit may place others above the common level: Birth may subject some, and Alliance or Benefits others, to pay an Observance to those to whom Nature, Gratitude or other Respects may have made it due; and yet all this consists with the Equality which all men are in, in respect of Jurisdiction or Dominion one over another, which was the Equality I there spoke of... being that equal Right that every Man hath, to his natural Freedom, without being subjected to the Will or Authority of any other Man." – John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 6, sec. 54)

“The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.” – John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 2, sec. 6)

All men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” – all men and women are born with a divine right to be free and to choose liberty or captivity, virtue or vice, happiness or misery.

"The principle of liberty in which God created us …includes the chief advantages of the life we enjoy, as well as the greatest helps towards felicity, that is the end of our hopes in the other." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, I:2:5)

“Liberty …is the gift of God and nature." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, I:17:44)

Virtue is necessary to establish and preserve liberty and happiness – as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson taught, there is an “indissoluble union between virtue and happiness,” and “virtue is the foundation of happiness.” Happiness is the purpose of life and the end of government.

"If vice and corruption prevail, liberty cannot subsist; but if virtue have the advantage, arbitrary power cannot be established." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, II:30:241-242) [Copied by Thomas Jefferson in his Commonplace Book]

“… virtue [is] so essentially necessary to the establishment and preservation of liberty, that it [is] impossible for a corrupted people to set up a good government, or for a tyranny to be introduced if they be virtuous; and … where the matter (that is, the body of the people) is not corrupted, tumults and disorders do not hurt; and where it is corrupted, good laws do no good..." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, II:11:104-05)

"Virtue is the dictate of reason, or the remains of divine light, by which men are made beneficent and beneficial to each other. Religion proceeds from the same spring; and tends to the same end; and the good of mankind so entirely depends upon the two, that no people ever enjoyed anything worth desiring that was not the product of them; and whatsoever any have suffered that [which] deserves to be abhorred and feared, has proceeded either from the defect of these, or the wrath of God against them. If any [leader] therefore has been an enemy to virtue and religion, he must also have been an enemy to mankind, and most especially to the people under him." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, II:27:212).

“…to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” – the people are sovereign and delegate their power to government to secure their rights, and their representatives are accountable to them.

"We are free-men governed by our own laws, and ...no man has a power over us, which is not given and regulated by them." –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, III:17:329)

"Those who delegate powers, do always retain to themselves more than they give, they [the people] who send these men [representatives], do not give them an absolute power of doing whatsoever they please, but retain to themselves more than they confer upon their deputies: they must therefore be accountable to their principals …" –Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, III:38:423)

Freedom is maintained by just laws – human laws based upon natural law preserve order and enlarge individual freedom.

"Laws are made to keep things in good order without the necessity of having recourse to force." --Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, III:13:306)

“The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom: For in all the states of created beings capable of laws, where there is no law, there is no freedom.” – John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 6, sec. 57)

The supreme law is the safety of the people – the primary object of government is to protect the lives, rights, liberties, and property of the people.

"If the safety of the people be the supreme law, and this safety extend to, and consist in, the preservation of their liberties, goods, lands, and lives, that law must necessarily be the root and the beginning, as well as the end and the limit, of all magistratical [governmental] power, and all laws must be subservient and subordinate to it." --Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, III:16:318).

"[Governmental] power, in the utmost bounds of it, is limited to the public good of the society. It is a power, that hath no other end but preservation..." --John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 11, sec. 135)

Private Property is a natural right and is an appendage to liberty – the possession of our rights, and the ownership and control of the fruits of our mind and labors of our body is a natural right.

"Everyone has property in his own person. This nobody has any right to but himself. The labour of his body, and the work of his hands, we may say, are properly his." --John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 5, sec. 27)

"Property is also an appendage to liberty; and it is impossible for a man to have a right to land or goods, if he has no liberty, and enjoys his life only at the pleasure of another, as it is to enjoy either, when he is deprived of them." --Algernon Sidney (Discourses Concerning Government, III:16:318)

“…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security” – the people have a right and a duty to resist and to overthrow tyranny.

"And thus the community perpetually retains a supreme power of saving themselves from the attempts and designs of anybody, even of their legislators, whenever they shall be so foolish, or so wicked, as to lay and carry on designs against the liberties and properties of the subject."--John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 13, sec. 149)

"... whenever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience ... [Power then] devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty, and, by the Establishment of a new Legislative (such as they shall think fit) provide for their own Safety and Security, which is the end for which they are in Society." --John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 19, sec. 222)

"But if a long train of abuses, prevarications and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people, and they cannot but feel, what they lie under, and whither they are going, 'tis not to be wondered, that they should then rouse themselves, and endeavour to put the rule into such hands, which may secure to them the ends for which government was at first enacted." --John Locke (Second Treatise on Government, Chapter 19, sec. 225)

94 posted on 09/03/2015 8:34:42 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: markomalley

He’s a typical f’n school trained lawyer.

He might just as well have made the “living document” comment..as most of them believe.

All the ills in the US can be traced back to the corrupted legal profession. How in the heck good people like Ted cruz get through that brainwashing intact is beyond my comprehension.


95 posted on 09/03/2015 8:37:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat (For Rent....call 1-555-tagline)
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To: chajin

[[In this sense he has conducted himself rather “nonviolently” in public.]]

Yep- He’s content to let the violence happen to her IN PRISON by gay inmates- which of course he’ll get to wash his hands of the blood afterwards

[[I have tried to make clear that it is wrong to use immoral means to attain moral ends.]]

Um- the bible talks about using immoral means to obtain moral ends (Lying in order not to be caught)

[[But now I must affirm that it is just as wrong, or perhaps even more so, to use moral means to preserve immoral ends.]]

But it is not wrong to use moral means to oppose immoral ends

[[Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.]]

Yep- Daniel, Shadrach Meshach, Abednego all refused to obey immoral laws- Do we as a society have them oral fortitude to do what Kim and Daniel and pals did?


96 posted on 09/03/2015 8:37:33 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: KC Burke

[[the Clerk has taken the position that “the free exercise thereof” is her reliable refuge. An admirable position.]]

Admirable, Yes, but futile, as there is now no longer any rule of law that will uphold her admirable (and correct) position

I’ve been saying right along, that now that gay marriage has been established as law, that Christian persecution WILL begin ramping up quickly in the years following the court decision, and we’ve certainly seen that to be the case with the bakers, florists, wedding photographers, printers, etc all being persecuted out of business, and ruled against in the courts- and now this case with Kim-

Expect to see a large number of these cases in the following months (and while you watch one Christian business, and one Christian professional after another get completely destroyed by gay people, remember what the gay community told us (”Oh no, We would never try to force anyone to do anything against their will, we just want the ‘right’ to be married, that’s all we’re asking- We ‘just want to be happy’ that’s all”)


97 posted on 09/03/2015 8:43:28 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

[[And now, as a consequence, we have The Law as it currently stands.]]

We have that, because little by little, the anti-God liberals have chipped away at natural law until there is nothing left- knowing full well that we the people wouldn’t have the nerve to take to arms to protect our right to be bound by natural law over ‘the law of nations’

[[And for a litigant or defendant to appeal to “natural law” outside of The Law is simultaneously both pointless and redundant.]]

The whole point of natural law was that it is supposed to supersede the law of nations- even our founding fathers cited this fact and told us that if we were not willing to fight to keep our right to natural law, then we would have to surrender it- This was precisely why our founding fathers issued the lines about the right to bear arms- in order to stand up to a tyrannical out of control government- (and by implication, an out of control law system as well)


98 posted on 09/03/2015 8:48:49 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: markomalley

Is she out of jail? Her Twitter account just re-tweeted one of my tweets.


99 posted on 09/03/2015 8:49:57 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: markomalley

Even in the military higher powers of morals are recognized when given unalwful or immoral orders. smdh. We have become drafted as slaves.


100 posted on 09/03/2015 8:52:58 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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