[MHGinTN]

"Having the self-pride to believe you can pay for your own sins (which we don't believe by the way)." Um, do you believe in purgatory? ... Yeah, thought so.

[Claud]

You’re arguing against a Catholicism that doesn’t exist except in your own mind.

The idea that we can pay for our sins satisfactorily without grace is a heresy. Whoever holds this idea is anathema to the Catholic Church.